I kind of miss ForrestB here lately. I thoought his taste in guns was first rate and seemed very knowledgeable in his posts. Also, his humor was great (remember his truck gun). He added alot to the site and if he is gone it would be a loss.

ddj

Haven't we wondered about other good guys and what happened to them? I will miss him on this forum.
Butch

I talked to him a few weeks ago. He's still around but is taking a break from AR. I miss his posts but I certainly understand. The climate around here isn't what it use to be.

Terry

I don't want this to turn negative, but what caused them to leave? If it is something that the moderators can change, I'm all for it.

ddj

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trouthunterdj: If it is something that the moderators can change, I'm all for it.

Oh I think you nailed it OK. The tone set at the top isn't so good around here, never has been. Look no further than the Political Forum, the tail that wags the dog. Unfortunately all the good of this site sometimes gets overshadowed.

That is why I stay out of the political forum. And why the political stuff should stay there.

My reason for this thread is that I have always appreciated alot of the gunsmithing ideas I have found here. Some of those helpful people are no longer found here.

Just my opinion,

ddj

Here is a post I made to another thread.

"Here comes my rant...

We are all here in the gunsmithing section of the forum to learn and get better at what we do. Bashing just hinders that process. It makes a new guy afraid to show his work as he thinks he is going to be slammed.

In my early works I know that I didn't do everything right. I wanted critique so that I could do a better job with each new gun. Heavy handed (read cruel) comments to make me feel bad might have made me give up. I was blessed with a dad that has a great ability to teach. He pointed out how to do better but didn't kick me in the teeth.

Bottom line to anyone who feels the need to critique another's work, wait until they ask for it and then make it constructive. Slamming someone is a political move and one of a person wanting to somehow feel better or more superior than another. He might stand taller but it is only because he is standing on the bodies of the ones he has left in his wake. History is riddled with such people and they are never talked about in the long run in a positive light."



I was not trying to defend one person in particular but to say that we are all responsible for what we post. The moderators can censor the offending posts but that does not get to the problem and often leads to misunderstandings as well. On a public forum there is no way to know what a person is going to do. If you have seen the ad about cyber bullying, well that kind of sums it up. We have to censor ourselves and write only what we feel comfortable letting everyone read. If you are hot under the collar and want to tell someone how you feel about them do it in a PM, at least that way they can respond to you personally instead of getting all the rest of us into an argument we have no need to be a part of. If we have lost people it is most likely because they get tired of all the childish jabs we take at each other. I agree with the above poster, keep it in the political forum if you want to raise your blood pressure or want a "good fight".

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Originally posted by TC1:
I talked to him a few weeks ago. He's still around but is taking a break from AR. I miss his posts but I certainly understand. The climate around here isn't what it use to be.

Terry

Terry.....please be so kind as to inform him that his posts and posted photos are appreciated here and not just by me.....but by a lot of folks!

Trez: I personally appreciate your thoughtful comments... but..

I am of a different generation..black eye did not generate a muderous all out killing..we of my generation could engage in fisticuffs and share a beer the next night.

I miss that all out honesty,,I say the hell with tiptoeing around fragile egos..screw the worry about stepping on someones little pee pee.

It will sort it self out if we quit getting comotose about gentlemanly manners

I also enjoy Forrest but is it safe to assume that gay porn link he posted in the political forum might have earned him a time out? There are limits to everything and I think he knew he crossed it with that one.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
Trez: I personally appreciate your thoughtful comments... but..

I am of a different generation..black eye did not generate a muderous all out killing..we of my generation could engage in fisticuffs and share a beer the next night.

I miss that all out honesty,,I say the hell with tiptoeing around fragile egos..screw the worry about stepping on someones little pee pee.

It will sort it self out if we quit getting comotose about gentlemanly manners

Well said, political correctness is ruining society.

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Originally posted by dempsey:
I also enjoy Forrest but is it safe to assume that gay porn link he posted in the political forum might have earned him a time out? There are limits to everything and I think he knew he crossed it with that one.

Boy, it was funny though

Thank God I wasn't at work when I clicked on that link. Damn near tossed my cookies as well.

I think he got banned along with 500 grains

Telling someone the truth as you see it does not go against anything I was saying. I just don't think it should be out there for everyone else to see. We do not know the history you might have with that other person.

It is like Gossip, in that it taints a person's view of another before they get to know them. If you can rib each other and work it out. That is good communication but to do it on a public forum is to introduce another element into the mix. In generations before the internet there were not forums to air it all out in. If you yelled and got into an arguement with someone in a bar or wherever no one would remember what you said the next day.

In this environment you can create a riot like attitude against someone in that people who don't even know the guy are ready to crucify him with you, even if it is not what you had in mind. We have such limited information about what is really going on. You might be able to share a beer together afterwards but so many others that might read your post from now until it gets buried form opinions about you and the other guy that taint reputations. This may not be what should be done with the information gathered from your post but I can assure you that it does happen. The written word is around long after you have forgotten about the whole thing. Just think about the posts that sometimes pop up out of the archives that are two or three years old.

Politically correct??? I don't like the term any more than anyone else but what you write here is more like putting your thoughts in a book. You would seldom think to write it all down for all to see in a book but we do it all the time here. Can you honestly tell me that what you write doesn't have the effect to make others think less of someone else. It may not do it to you who are in the argument but it sure does with many of the rest of us.

That is why I say take it to a PM if you want to air negative feelings or attitudes towards another.

What I write here most likely will not change much but it is my opinion that people need to think a bit more before they write something to be displayed in a public forum. You may be hurting the guy you go have a beer with in ways that you never know as he looses business because of your comments.

There are people here that I don't know that I don't think very highly of because of what I have read. They might have been falsely accused but I may never know it. Without body language and the tone of voice to lead the hearer, there are a lot of things that can be construed in a totally different manner than what it was meant to. You might be saying it sarcastically but we wouldn't know it.

First impressions are formed in us if we like it or not and are based on our experiences. If in our experience we have heard a lot of trash being talked of about another we are more likely to see the bad in them and not the good. It is human nature.

If you take offense at me stating this, well tough. That's the way I see it, right out there in the open.

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Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
I think he got banned along with 500 grains

Most everyone here has personal contacts with others via some sort of media, be it email or maybe PMs at 24-hour etc......had he been banned I think it would have been known.

I seriously doubt it. Getting banned here is usually a very well earned distinction.

He's still a member and he might start posting again one day. Who know's. Sometimes it's good to take a break and go rub some sunshine on your face. It helps put everything back in perspective. This is a fun place to visit but I wouldn't want to live here.


Terry

PS. One shouldn't confuse common courtesy for political correctness.

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Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
I think he got banned along with 500 grains

not that i am aware.. which means you meant to say "i ASSUME/IMAGINE .."

He's not banned, just not posting

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
I think he got banned along with 500 grains

Most everyone here has personal contacts with others via some sort of media, be it email or maybe PMs at 24-hour etc......had he been banned I think it would have been known.

I seriously doubt it. Getting banned here is usually a very well earned distinction.

was 500grains the exception??

I dont know anything about ForrestB.
But this forum or at least some of the frequent posters, dont like different opinions, if it doesnt fit into what the "bible" tells.
Actualy this forum is the only forum i ever postet on, where info and facts, seems so Unwellcomed, as showed by many of the "experts".
The fact is that many, not all, realy dont want to share or gather info, but mainly is looking for confirmations of their belives.

I ame quite sure that many capacities, dont partisipate, as it is not worth the hazzle.

jørgen,
I've been posting on AR since 2003 and once several years ago someone asked me by PM to not post on the gunsmithing forum as it was "for guild members and recognized smiths" only.

My reply was extremely brief and then I deleted the PM and can't even remember who it was any more as I was quite new then. Actually I'm happy that I don't remember as it's not totally relevant and I'm not sure the person still posts here.

It seems you and I can have a fair discussion here but a few would rather be pricks.....phucque-em.....put them on ignore and enjoy the ones that share and contribute.

I had lunch with ForrestB today. He isn't banned and sends his regards to everyone, well not everyone.