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jeffe, You should have been around back then to speak as an “expert witness†for Springfield in the patent infringement proceedings brought against them by Mauser concerning the clips. According to you, German infantrymen loaded their Mausers by strangling them with both hands, so the clips must be much different than the ones used in Springfields!!!!  | |||
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Is this in responce to a PM? Why bring it out here? Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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I was responding to jeffe’s post asking for information on the bolt-stop feature of pre-WWII Springfield 03’s...which, along with quite a few other things, he seems to be totally unfamiliar with. Mauser stripper clips are designed and are used in the exact same manner as all other stripper clips are...despite what jeffe would like you to believe. There is nothing “unique†to Mausers in the way you charge the magazine using the clips. Whether or not that “tumb-cut†in some Mausers, and in prototype 03 Springfields (1901-1902), was designed for gas venting or for ease in charging the mag I have no idea. Michael Petrov, and I am sure Tom Burgess, would have far more knowledge of that than any of the rest of us on here...and certainly more than our double-talking moderator would. | |||
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Reference "The Springfield 1903 Rifles," Brophy, page 23. What's shown are pages from the Board of Ordinance's "Description and Rules for the Management of the U.S. Magazine Rifle, caliber .30, Model of 1903. Figure 10 shows the Bolt Stop, and the accompanying description details it's manufacture, location and function.The part is there on a low-number '03 (236xxx) I own. Not there on a high-no. (932xxx)next to it in the rack. Don't know when they stopped using it- heard/read that dropping it was a wartime (WWI) manufacturing expediant. | |||
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You bring up a good point and something I was not aware of. When did they stop installing the bolt stop on 1903’s. I always check this to see what custom gunmakers were aware of it and who left it there. I just looked at a NRA sporter circa 1930 with a Shelhamer stock and metal work by Niedner, the hole is there and the indent in the left bolt lug but the stop and spring has been removed or was never there. If they stoped making this I would assume (always a mistake) they would have stopped with the hole and indent. Many early custom sporters I have looked at have both the bolt stop and the high back magazine follower. You would be surprised how late it was before custom makers started cutting an angle on the back of the follower so the bolt would go forward on a empty magazine. | |||
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From what I was told, and what I have read, Springfield Armory was the only manufacturer to use the bolt stop. This was designed/installed at the request of the Ordnance Team that had tested the models 1901-1902 and found that the bolt had a tendency to slide forward on its own preventing the use of the charging slot. It would appear that the device didn’t make it past one the several design changes instituted to speed/ease the manufacturing process early on in production of the 03’s. I don’t know how to post pictures on here but I sent our moderator an illustration from an Army TM showing the 03 bolt stop, perhaps he can post it along with his acknowledgement that this part did in fact exist and he was just unaware of it!  | |||
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Rick, as per usual, you aren't actually reading the posts. I stated, rather clearly, that I hadn't heard of this model. <sigh> some (old) newbies are just amazing
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jeffe, You are an amazing piece of work! The magical model that you have never heard of is a “Springfield Model 1903.†I sent you the illustration from the Army TM showing the part...didn’t you get it??? I also referred you to the passages in Brophy’s book describing and showing the part...didn’t you get that either? This moderator thing has really gone to your head hasn’t it...perhaps that comes from your regular job at a bank where you are just one more geek with a computer. Another source for you: “The 03 Springfield“...by Clark Campbell, page 10. From the recommendations of the Board of officers dated 16 Feb 1903 to Springfield Armory; “ A device is to be provided for preventing the bolt, when open, from slipping forward under the clip seat...(this resulted in the bolt stop of the M1903- a spring loaded plunger engaging a detent in the left locking lug of the open bolt, and serving to resist initial forward motion of the bolt.)†Sorry this info had to come from a “newbee†, oh exhaulted Mr. Springfield “expertâ€...drives you crazy doesn’t it! Don’t worry, you can take out your anger on the other geeks at the bank when you go back to work. | |||
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Rick, see the pattern yet? ______________________ Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. | |||
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Yes I do you little teaser you! Once again jeffeasso is taking pride in exhibiting how vast his ignorance is, and once again he is wrong...and once again you are running to his defense. Are you and jeffe-boy gonna star in that new movie “ Broke-Back-Bubba’s?†You both seem to defend each other allot! | |||
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Rick, I know what a Model 1903 Springfield is, it also has at least a dozen (including .22) variants. Can you provide the model variation that you have described? Or are you now saying that the US army made two different variations and called them the same thing? Perhaps these are the 30-03 chambered ones, that went back for a refit? should be an interesting thing to learn and have. If the later, thanks for letting me know there's a springfield I don't have. Cool, it offers me a challenge to find one. if the former, same thing, just a hair easier to find. Sorry, rick, it doesn't "drive me nuts" that I don't have one, though it would complete my collection to have one. Again, thanks for letting me know there's one I don't have. have a nice day jeffe #dumptrump opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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seems a little case of misunderstanding to me.....eh?  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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From an expert on the model 1903 I am told that “All Model 1903 rifles had bolt stops until about February, 1942.†This goes for the Rock Island as well. For anyone who does not understand what a bolt stop is I would be glad to pull a 03 apart and post pictures of one. | |||
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You know jeffe, have you ever sought professional help for your dual-personality? I read your PM’s and emails calling me a dumbass, an asshole, and old fart that doesn’t know shit, etc...then you come on here and talk like a little pansy ass that’s just looking for information and thanking me for pointing you to something you don’t have. What a phony turd you are! As I have told you repeatedly in response to the flood of nasty PM’s and emails...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH while you’re sitting around the bank with all the other office geeks. I would think that a 1903 expert and collector like yourself (  ) would have the books by Poyner, Brophy, Campbell and Hatcher, along with the TM’s and FM’s from the military.Or is it just the “dumbass-newbees†like me that take the time to learn a bit about the rifles I enjoy? Like I told you jeffe, my dad gave me a 1903 in 1954 that he picked up in a trade and brought home right after the Korean War...how old were you in 1954 again, I forgot. Oh, that’s right, that was way before you were born! | |||
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    Any questions? MP | |||
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You better put a separate model designation on that rifle that meets with jeffe’s approval or he’s gonna get his panties all in a bunch again. I wonder if jeffe minds that the 1st alteration of model 1903 rifles from .30-03 to .30-06 and the switch from a rod bayonet to a knife bayonet was done without changing the model designation on the rifle? It stayed Model 1903, just like the rod bayonet, .30-03 rifles. | |||
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Rick, I'm coming to nobodys defense. I will however point out you act like a hyper twelve year old and turn many otherwise good threads into pissing matches. ______________________ Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. | |||
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Excuse me, but go back and see who started the “pissing match†on here. I think he calls himself the moderator, even though he knows very little of moderation. I’m sorry that you don’t approve of me responding in kind when someone states that I don’t know what I am talking about. Michael’s pictures have pretty much settled the matter of jeffe’s self-proclaimed “expertise†on 1903 Springfields. He obviously doesn’t know quite as much about them as he appeared to in his lengthy post listed all his supposed “credentials“ and designed to slam me in the process. The last time I responded in kind to you on a thread I got a slew of nasty emails from jeffe threatening to ban me from AR. Buddies are you? The man is a psycho, and I am hardly the only person on here that has noticed this, nor am I the only person on here that he has threatened and/or chastised for speaking out and calling him on his bullshit. Can you say “Control Freak?†| |||
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Rick, I don't know Jeffe anymore than I know you. My comments aren't about Jeffe they're about you. I haven't seen anything in any room on this site that would fit the defination of "controll freak". We all get in arguements but more often than not when you get in one there wasn't anything to get excited over, you simply go overboard. If you don't like it here there are many, many sites on the net. Your problem isn't just with Jeffe it's with just about anybody you may happen to disagree with. Remember the price controll Leupold thread? A perfect example of your inability to disagree and present a counter point not to mention you were flat wrong. There is a room here for pointless and entertaining arguments, you should try it and save rational discussion for the rest of the board, just my opinion of course. ______________________ Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. | |||
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Really...well hows this for a control freak? Jeffe has been PMing me almost non-stop telling me how full of shit (his words) I am about the bolt stops on 1903’s. He claims they never existed, and are only a figment of my imagination because I am a dumb-ass, old fart (again his words). His dialog has been a non-stop diatribe telling me I don’t know shit about Springfields and that I am nothing but a stupid old dumb-ass fart. Michael Petrov posts pictures of the bolt stop I referred to, and guess what “magically†disappeared from my “private message†section shortly thereafter? Now, I know I didn’t delete all of jeffe’s nasty PM’s to me, and his claims that this part never existed...so who else on this forum do you think has the ability to go into a members “private†messages and delete them? The moderator perhaps...especially when he is scared that he will once again get caught in his no-nothing bullshit he pulls on here all the time. jeffe has done this same crap to other people on here that have disagreed with him or called him on his bullshit. If you don’t like what I post on here you certainly have the ability to scroll right past it and not bother yourself with reading it. But if you choose to make smart ass remarks to me, then be prepared to get some smart ass remarks tossed right back at ya! And I promise that I won’t be a pansy ass like jeffe and only get nasty and use foul language in PM’s that I can then go back and delete later on and pretend like nothing ever happened.  | |||
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MP, thanks for the pics. Very clear. Very precise. Rick, I asked you a simple question and stated facts. I started my part of the conversation explaining I hadn't heard of that model. Not certain that I understand your apparent rage about that, but okay. In fact, i congradulate you, as this is the first time that you have added to gunsmiting in 4436 posts.You finally added to the nature of the forums. Good job jeffe #dumptrump opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Still having trouble with the dual personality thing jeffe? Do you ever have trouble remembering if you are posting or PMing, because the language and dialog certainly is different. Funny that right after Micahel posted the pictures of the part you claimed I was wrong about you rushed right out and deleted the PM’s where you said it didn’t exist and that I knew nothing and should keep quiet about areas where your knowledge was so much more superior. You are a phoney jeffe, and all your “nicey-nice†posts now are very transparent. | |||
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Do you guys really think the rest of us want to hear all of this? TC1 asked an interesting question. Sure would be nice to go back to it. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I agree but have no answers to what is now a universal problem. For one reason or another many threads turn into a pi$$ing contest. I have cut back posting at my favorite site for this same reason, personal attacks. I would like, on occasion, to be able to post on a few subjects I feel I can add something to and learn at the same time with a free flowing of information. I can do nothing about what other people post but I can do something about what I do. In the future I will not participate in any discussion that turns to personal attacks. I also apologize for anything I said that feed fuel to this fire. Michael Petrov / Alaska | |||
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I had seen a few of these 03's with the bolt stop feature many years ago, but until Rick brought it up in this thread, and Michael posted the photo's, I had forgotten all about them. Thanks for the reminder Rick and Michael!  | |||
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