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how's that for starters?  A relatively simple question. What and Why is the "general" consensus of rust bluing and then stocking it with the likes of a McMillan...foolish? Reason being is that Timan is done with my barreled action I've yet to see the pictures but.....am quite certain his work is without reproach. With much deliberation and to me a grievious decision  enviroments/seasonal precip being what they are especially the fall seasons in the Brooks it would require a "rust bluing job" and a McMillan I was being compared to by an individual, of some quote by someone in the past that stated there is a "fool born every minute" or the like. I found that to be pretty stupid for one hiding behind someones comment of renown character and not "manning" up to calling me a fool instead. Internet bravado! too bad the conversation was not in person and a handy bush to go behind and neutralize the whole affair with him. Who has in there possesion a rust blued barreled action and housed in a McMillan. Or is it just me ........ I have contacted 2 individuals for rust bluing and they are Doug Turnbull and our very own z1r...awaiting replies from both. Is this unheard off? Dare I even ask  ? | ||
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Who gives a shit, it's your gun. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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We build rifles for our pleasure. If others enjoy them thats great but if not that is thier problem not yours. Things I might not like but would never criticise are another mans wife, gun, or dog. If that is what you want, go for it. Von Gruff. | |||
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concensus is that rust blusing is tougher than hot bluing. Do YOU like it? then have it done. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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you have an action you want to "weatherproof"... rust blueing is good stuff. you need a stock that is "weatherproof"...macmillan good stuff makes sense to me are there other options? sure...if it's what you want do it Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Rust Blue . That belongs on certain vintage firearms Sharps, Lever guns and Colt single actions . That's just my opinion and what's that worth not a dam cent as it's mine !.  | |||
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Most people do associate a fine walnut stock with rust blued metal work. Both are "traditional." Unlike synthetic stocks and stainless steel, or carbon steel with plated, teflon or other baked on finishes - which are "non-traditional," but flat out weatherproof. Still, as others have said, it's your rifle, and if you want a synthetic stock and rust blued metal work - then go for it. I have several rifles stocked in English walnut, one even with fine engraving, that feature Gun-Koted metal! To my eye, they look great, and they do not rust! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Stu does great work. He did a Mex Mauser for me. McM stock, but ceracoted. Not everyones cup of tea, but was built for bad weather. Do what you want, and don't worry about the other guys. | |||
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Yes, it is BUT, if I were going to use that rifle for what you are, I'd go with QPQ. It's so tough a file won't scratch it and it is a soft, lustrous black. "I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution | |||
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You fellas are cool! as my youngest 10 yr. daughter says. I knew it! I just knew it! Some are like me! LOL Yes, cannot wait to see the 1909 Arg I bought off of Chic 3 yrs. back, built into a 9.3x64 by Stuart. McMillan and rust blued...sounds like a good combination. I am not a SS rifle fan, although all my revolvers are SS. You all have a good day! I will attempt down the road to post a couple of pics....surely it will be pleasing. | |||
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QPQ....now what is that? | |||
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  I just finished this one. Rust blued and synthetic. | |||
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You wouldn't go wrong with either of these two guy's! _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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QPQ is another name for Melonite. It is a form of nitriding or case hardening. About a 4 mil thickness and about 69 Rockwell C. It has a deep blue or black lustre. A large company is just getting into the small lot firearm part of the business. The minimum lot price used to be pretty hefty. Hef USA will be doing it in the near future. Butch | |||
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I'd go with Rem721. If the QPQ is what it's touted to be I'd go with that. If you do let us know how it holds up. I like the idea of coatings but have had bad luck. Eventually all let go on edges or worse. Worn blueing looks like honest wear, flaking coating just looks bad. ______________________ Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. | |||
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I've got two in Mickeys, a Sako 75 and an 85. Both look great and achieve the goal. I've got others in various coated finishes, look similar IMO, and both work for the intended purpose. But most of all--I love Westpacs view:
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Fish, I too got a chuckle out of that as well | |||
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Was there a previous thread on this that I missed? I'm just curious why someone would criticize your choice. | |||
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Dear Grizz007: I rust blue all my rifles. With a decent coating of oil, they don't rust. I have not subjected them to Alaska weather though. Recently, I picked up a 1952 Browning Auto 5 that was rust blued at the factory. This shotgun was used pretty hard, and appears to not have been disassembled and cleaned since new. I tore it down. The only rust was in the tube within the stock that holds the action spring. The stock was cut 3/4" or more, and an old Stoeger recoil pad was added, so it was probably a duck gun with a 13 3/4" LOP. No rust on any of its rust blued surfaces. On the other hand, I have two hot blued A5's, one with the original grease inside, obviously not used and the other a Magnum that was used a bit. The Magnum, although barely used had surface rust. Guess which one is going into the duck blind with me? And that Magnum will be rust blued by me before long. I had a McMillan stock on a Sako in 270 with a dull teflon coat finish on the metal. I hated the teflon coated finish. Your rust blued finish if black enough should look cool with that stock, and in my experience will really protect the steel from corrosion. Have you looked at Borden stocks here in Pennsylvania by the way? Sincerely, Chris Bemis | |||
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going to send the barrel'd action to z1r and have him order the stock with a full deposit...the Edge, hopefully will work. it is said of the Edge not to exceed the recoil of the .338 win mag if I am not mistaken. He'll rust blue it as well. | |||
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That bluing looks great. I parkerize everything because it is so easy and I can do it. | |||
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I have owned 3 early A5's. Two from 1956 and a pre war 16 gauge. No rust on any of them. Just that pretty gray blue. DW | |||
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FWIW, The Edge will take the recoil but not necessarily meet Echol's very stringent standards for accuracy. | |||
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Rust bluing will work for protecting the metal in most hunting situations. I build a few rifles for people on the Aleutian islands for them I recommend hard chrome for salt spray protection. But I know lots of hunters using bluing and McMillan stocks. In over 30 years as a professional gunsmith I never once got up in the morning and didn't want to go to work. | |||
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Try Titanium Nitrite blue it might be a better choice for what you are doing. | |||
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Melonite is a Telluride of Nickel NiTe2 It is tough. a TiCN coating by spatter deposition is equally tough but it's dull grey finish is hardly "pretty". AD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Go ahead and rust blue it. Nothing is set in concrete. If you take care of the rifle you someday may want to put a nice piece of wood on it and send the Macmillian to someone else. After all it is only a soulless plastic handle. | |||
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Had a phone call from Mike Woolridge and said they would do barrels from $3.50-$10. This is their website. Mike is in the Arkansas office. http://www.trutecind.com/index.html You might call Mike and see what he has to offer. They do other things, but we discussed Melonite only. Butch | |||
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