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Ok, so here goes:

I'm looking over this piece of .300RUM brass I was given by someone who doesn't handload, and I made the even bigger mistake of talking to my friend (the original Wild Bill who was on this sight until last year). Now I'm beginning to get the hankerings for an 8mmRUM.

Here's the deal, we load those wonderful 220 grainers in this thing, nice and hot to really push their potential. the rifle would of course be a total custom job, thus the evil part, since it would be out right murder on my finances. But here's what I was thinking of anyway:

Remington 700 action
Jewell Trigger
Heavy bench rest stock
Possibly a Harris bi-pod, although I haven't worked that out yet
heavy target Hart barrel
scope mounts and base
long range 6.5-42 variable leupold to top it all off

yup, a beanfield rifle. sight it in for 250-350 yds. Practicality in this endevor for me is non-existant, but such things have never stopped me before and I doubt ever will.

First question that I'd like to bat out of the air before it get asked is why not just a 300 or 338 RUM? Don't want them. this project is designed solely for 8mm 220 grain bullets to be shot at long range, and ONLY at long range.
The gun assumes alot, the biggest, and possibly most fatal is that the shots will be a target of some kind at extreme range.
That's understood at this end, in fact i've built it that way for that purpose. If I want a close quarters gun there are plenty of 30/30 lever guns floating around.

Ok then, give me your opinions.

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Curtis: My opinion is....you are going to do it! You have the far-away look in your eye, you can already see this gun, and you will wake up in the morning thinking about it. Who cares if it costs more than a rectal tonsillectomy! What fun would it be if we were practical!

Just remember to post pictures when you got it done. I suspect you've already started on it. Enjoy!

 
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Lemay:

Could not help noticing your handle---or is it your actual name? Curtis Lemay was a fairly well known air force general. I think he may have been Chief of Staff at one point. He died in about 1990 if I recall. Is Curtis Lemay your actual name, are you related to the real general or is there some reason relative to the general or his role in military history that you have adopted his name as your handle? Nothing wrong with doing so at all, just curious.

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go for it!!!
projects like this are what separate us from them!!!
my latest toy will have a McMillan A3 stock instead of a BR style.

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Curtis_Lemay,

Go for it my friend!

There is absolutely nothing more satisfying than hunting with a rifle you have built yourself, with ammo you loaded yourself.


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Curtis Lemay is neither my name nor the name of a relative. I just happen to be a fan of the old AF general. One of the many Military names that I reflect on with fondness.

The rest of you guys, well in thewords of Bartells and James, "Thank you for your support"

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Originally posted by Curtis_Lemay:
Ok, so here goes:

I'm looking over this piece of .300RUM brass ... Now I'm beginning to get the hankerings for an 8mmRUM.

Ok then, give me your opinions.


Curtis,

I like your idea - 8mm is super. But I have a boring question: Why don�t you make a 8x68S? That cartridges is equal to .300 Wby or in fact outperforms it with some fps.

But if your project is to make and try something quite new: go for you 8mm RUM - and come back and tell us about your experiences!

What do expect your gun to perform?

Best regards,

Fritz

 
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Actually Fritz,

I was planning a totally separate project for the 8x68 round. As for the RUM idea, the goal is to pick up where the 8mm Rem Mag left off. (by the way 8mm rem mag is yet another project idea). Keep in mind the 220 grainers really hit their potential a RUM velocities, so I was simply going to exploit that for my own evil purposes >meniacle laughter<. Good question though.

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CL,

I think that is a dandy of a project, and I agree with the rest..."Go for it!". I actually can't believe that I hadn't considered it yet myself.

I am a really big fan of the 8mm Rem Mag. My father has used one for about 25years now, and it is a fantastic cartridge. In his factory Rem 700 he gets dime sized groups with the 220 grain Hornady's, and it has been hell on moose. This 8mm RUM would just me more of a good thing!

So, is your friend the same Wild Bill that posted here before we changed formats?

Canuck

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Posts: 7123 | Location: The Rock (southern V.I.) | Registered: 27 February 2001Reply With Quote
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Curtis, I have built several rifles for customers using varius Ultra cartridges and derivations on the Ultra brass. A couple of important items about using a M700 Remington: One, a standard M700 (like one chambered for 300 Win Mag, etc.) will not feed the Ultra case properly. There are a couple of aftermarket magazine boxes available that, with a visit of the action to the vertical milling machine, will work, but feeding still may be "tricky". (One of the boxes has a 3.750" cartridge length) Two, a M700 originally chambered for the Ultra case will feed, but is severly limited to cartridge length and the 220 grain 8mm bullet will be way down in the case in order to function through the magazine. I have also built many long range rifes for customers, with similar components to the ones you list. (Make that scope a NightForce!!!). Now, if I were to build a rifle of this nature for myself, I would use a custom single shot bolt action (for the rigidity and precision of manufacturer)as one does not really need a repeater for those extreme range surgical shots. And there are certain things that need to be accomplished to the stock and bedding for optimum performance. If you need more information, give me an email. Regards, John (star@olypen.com)
 
Posts: 1055 | Location: Real Sasquatch Country!!! I Seen 'Em! | Registered: 16 January 2001Reply With Quote
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That'd probably be him. His computer essentially died a rapid but ugly death and he lost all internet accessability.
John-
Thanks for the input this is info I can really do something with, of course I unfortunately won't be doing much with it for a while since I'm just getting out of college and am therefore entirely broke.

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Use great care in bullet selection, thats what killed the 8mm Rem Magnum, which is basically what your talking about...you will never be able to get the arey of bullets for the 8mm as you would a 308 or 338, thats why not many wildcat the 8mm...If you ever wanted to sell in the states you will take a beating...Just some considerations.

I love the 8x57. Most all the available bullets are made for it at the lower velocity..I really like the 225 gr. Woodleigh...

I suppose your caliber would work with Noslers or monolithics...

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I'll chime in on complimenting you on your project idea as I've also entertained thoughts along lines of an 8mm RUM or a .35 RUM - just to have something different. But first I need to sort out my current ultramags.

BTW some of us have missed the informative and entertaining posts of the "original Wild Bill". Say hello the next time you see him

 
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oh, i forgot to mention the barrle will probably be between 27.5"-28"

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Ray is on the numbers as usual, the bullet selection problem did kill off the 8mm Mag. Its a little better today, especially with Woodleighs. I have two elk hunter friends that use the 8mm Rem Mag, its a dandy cartridge when you have to reach way out there. A 8mm Ultra would only be better, but at the 'ol expense of more powder and recoil.
 
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Oh just thought I'd mention most 220 grainers, especially the honadies are best suited to the velocities of the 8 mag.

I do have horrible news though, I was talkning to Wild Bill again (the original) and he gave another idea, it seems the two of us are on one hell of an 8mm kick this week...I'll post it all tomorrow sometime under evil thought$ continued

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