xxx

Maybe they were just getting started on the octagon barrel look and didn't quite get finished.

Thats why the make differant height rings, boy oh boy, some bubba's

I've seen it a time or two.....too bad as the rifle is not headed for great resale that way.....but Bubba is going to do what he wants!

Hey...it's his gun!!!!!his money.....

Actually, David Miller does this quite often on some of his Long range Marksman rifles.. His of course look asthetically pleasing, but he does it none the less.

heh, and leupold makes "melted" scopes to do the same thing.

sounds like a dumb solution, BOTH that is, for a non-existant problem... if the scope is too big, either get the right stock to take a huge scope or don't use a huge scope...

LOL... that would be too funny to see, though..

"yeah, i ground this here savage done to take my 60mm objective bushells adjustable objective range finding scope... that, and the mussle brake, make it okay to shoot a 264 winmag.. just loaded up some right at book, and the gun was a tack driver....
,,...

...

before I took a 9" angle grinder to the barrel and cold blued right over it.....

....

nah, I can't smell a thing...."


then he pulls the trigger, the barrel bursts, destorying the barrel and stock... and, oddly enough, when the remains of the scope are found they are actually worth MORE than the scope"


lol

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sounds like a dumb solution, BOTH that is, for a non-existant problem... if the scope is too big, either get the right stock to take a huge scope or don't use a huge scope...

WTF!!! What has the stock got to do with the scope mounting? Is this a new scope mounting solution from weaponsmith.com

My Brother-in-law (very nice guy and excellent shot) who actually went thru gunsmithing school, bought a surplus mauser and wanted to mount a scope on it. He said he got the bent bolt handle, but would still need to raise the scope about 1.75"(bent the wrong way)
So he took some Aluminum square stock, drilled and tapped to mount to receiver and then a weaver mount on top of it all.
The bore sighter wouldn't work with the scope being sooo high, so he pulled the bolt and sighted down the bore to get things lined up at 25 yards. The scope wouldn't adjust down that far, so he mills the aluminum block on an angle to point the scope down
He got the rifle shooting dead on at 25 yards and then tried a target at 100 yards.
and didn't know why it was shooting several feet high(dust spots at the top of the berm)
So he pulled the scope and mount and sold it to someone else...
He doesn't live near me, just was telling me the story about why he doesn't like Mausers.

He is a great shot though. I've seen him head shoot Jack Rabbits on the run at close to 150 yds with a 22 mag.(not a luck shot)

Now will a New model single six cylinder fit an Old model single six?

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My Brother-in-law (very nice guy and excellent shot) who actually went thru gunsmithing school, bought a surplus mauser and wanted to mount a scope on it. He said he got the bent bolt handle, but would still need to raise the scope about 1.75"(bent the wrong way)bewildered
So he took some Aluminum square stock, drilled and tapped to mount to receiver and then a weaver mount on top of it all.
The bore sighter wouldn't work with the scope being sooo high, so he pulled the bolt and sighted down the bore to get things lined up at 25 yards. The scope wouldn't adjust down that far, so he mills the aluminum block on an angle to point the scope down bewildered
He got the rifle shooting dead on at 25 yards and then tried a target at 100 yards. Confused
and didn't know why it was shooting several feet high(dust spots at the top of the berm)
So he pulled the scope and mount and sold it to someone else...
He doesn't live near me, just was telling me the story about why he doesn't like Mausers.

He is a great shot though. I've seen him head shoot Jack Rabbits on the run at close to 150 yds with a 22 mag.(not a luck shot)


More Powder, Bigger Bullets.
Lar45

hell he shoulda hung onto it, nuthin' a shot of WD-40 couldn't fix.

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Originally posted by jimmyd223:

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sounds like a dumb solution, BOTH that is, for a non-existant problem... if the scope is too big, either get the right stock to take a huge scope or don't use a huge scope...

WTF!!! What has the stock got to do with the scope mounting? Is this a new scope mounting solution from weaponsmith.com

Yes, jimmy...
there's more to gunsmithing than rubbing cold blue on a purchased rifle, you know?

ADJUSTABLE CHECK PIECE

For putting super tall rings to keep super large onjective scopes off the barrel..

like putting a cheek piece pad on an ar15 or m1903a4 sniper rifle...

this little trick has been out "awhile"

you knw, there's this "little known" stock company, called mcmillan brothers,
that makes a SIX HUNDRED DOLLAR stock to do exactly this. .. the A-5




not my style of gun, shooting techinque, or stock, but some friends of mine are making pretty good money building this tactical rifles.


yes, jimmy, there is certainly more to the world that you are aware of, and every post you makes confirms that for everyone on the planet.


Do you GET IT now, jimmy?

how do you get the scope off the barrel...
use taller scope mounts

how do you get a cheekweld so you can use the too tall scope mounts?
get an adjustable cheekpiece.

quotes from the mcmillan website

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so we offer several different options in adjustable cheek pieces and butt stocks. Yet we can build the stock in one piece for those departments that prefer no moving parts." The result is the A-5, the professional tactical stock that incorporates the most requested features from the entire A-series.

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A tactical rifle is heavier than a hunting rifle. Its stock must be a rigid platform for the thick bull barrels, large optics, night vision equipment, and

Bubba jeffe, a check piece is not required to mount a 56mm scope if the right rings are used. I have several with 56mm bells some sitting in H-S Precision and another in a Darrell Holland laminated. The fit is totally up to the shooter.This gun has a 1.25" full composite barrel and the fit is perfect and without a CP

Yes, jimmy, you have the correct stock and rings for the job, though your height above bore seems a bit tall, no?



apparently this person didn't


leupold offers "melted" or cutout scopes, now, to fit as close to the LOS as possible.

Jimmy, while I doubt it is, your picture SURE looks like the shade is touching the barrel....

again, I don't think it is, but it LOOKS like it
do you get it now?

No Bubba, the proof is knowing what your talking about not cut&paste with some lame BS.

It would be sort of hard to adjust the AO if it was touching the barrel.
Why not show us some "real" pictures of your scope mounting of large objectives insted of cut & paste pictures. I'm waiting

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
if the scope is too big, either get the right stock to take a huge scope or don't use a huge scope...

Can you explain to me how the right stock helps you to properly mount a large objective diameter scope on the action?

Howard,
It doesn't help you mount the scope, but , a high cheek piece will allow you to use a high scope mount and maintain a decent cheek weld with the stock. I understood this from the get go. Somebody wants to hammer the Mod. Let it go!

this is EXACTLY the same issue with either putting a scope on a heavy drop rifle or using irons on a straight one.

Jimmy, I said i doubted it was touching, but it looked like it.

Lame BS? LOL... give mcmmillan a call and get educated on the tactical rifle..

as I said before

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
not my style of gun, shooting techinque, or stock, but some friends of mine are making pretty good money building this tactical rifles.

Howard, without a cheekpiece to put one's face against, in a REPEATABLE fashion, adjusted to fit the user, a scope that lies above the plane of the users natural eye position is going to be hit or miss.

Which is why the military put leather cheekpieces on m1903a4, and the garand sniper rifle, and of late, on some m16s..

If the scope is above where your face hits the stock (without an adj cheekpiece) you have to "hold" your head, which is not as repeatable as possible.

Slide the cheek piece up, adj to fit, and now every time your face hits the cheekpiece, you are ready.


while in an EXTREME instance, this is within the realm of stock fitting...

scope way above bore, needs higher cheekpiece...

makes sense to mcmillan and tactical shooters...

but like i said, not my cup of tea...

here's a couple more links in that direction.. the more that these depart "blue and walnut" the less *I* like them

http://www.tacticalrifles.net/
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=64773459
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=64909757
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=64536850
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=64773463
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=64399553


jeffe

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Originally posted by jimmyd223:

WTF!!! What has the stock got to do with the scope mounting? Is this a new scope mounting solution from weaponsmith.com

Asked and answered. and now let the deviation from the original question begin

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It doesn't help you mount the scope, but , a high cheek piece will allow you to use a high scope mount and maintain a decent cheek weld with the stock.

JC Scott, the whole point is and has been pointed out, you use the Correct bases and ringsso you don't need the cheek piece. The line of sight is perfect for me and unlike Bubba Jeffe, I post actual guns sitting here. Not like his usual cut & paste versions with his backyard Bubba gunsmith gibberish.

Jimmy,
with the overwhelming numbers of PMs I am receiving, I have no choice but to realize that you have no intention of discussing gunsmithing, rather you wish to make EVERYTHING a

I can not assume you are totally ignorant of guns, fitting and cheekpieces, as well as other gunsmithing processes.

The purpose of fitting a firearm to the user is to assure the sights (or sight system) aligns with the user's eye, when brought to the shoulder, and repeats EVERY time.

Adjustable cheekpieces accomplish this.



Holding one's head in an awkward position repeatedly does not lead to the best accuracy, which is why guns are fitted.


That YOU can do this is actually not the issue, as you asked "what does a cheekpiece have to do with it"

and the answer is, X and Ultra high rings please the Line of sight through the scope above normal, and a high cheekpiece (or negative drop) accomodates this.

have a nice day, and please, if you wish to start pissing matches, just start the thread in misc.

now, of course, you have called me out for being wrong.. which I was not, and then you start your .

You might consider your motives when posting.


jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Asked and answered. and now let the deviation from the original question begin

I think the first post was more in the way of a comment on something seen, not a question. If there was a question it was on scope mounting techniques and how to mount scopes as low as possible without grinding the barrel, not adjustable cheek pieces.

Howard

What did you see that was good at the Guild show. Anything stand out to you.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by jimmyd223:

WTF!!! What has the stock got to do with the scope mounting? Is this a new scope mounting solution from weaponsmith.com

Asked and answered. and now let the deviation from the original question begin

Howard,
the actual question is in jimmies perjorative above.

So, if you have a large scope, you want mount it without touching the barrel, right?

Answer, High or higher and higher scope rings

(heh, as I type this, I am thinking of "game savers" .. the "see through" scope mounts, that ROUTINELY cause guys to shoot worse than they actually can.. due to HIGH alignment.. without a matching cheekpiece)

How do you avoid paralex and headplacement issues?
possible answers
1: Leupold - make weird lens that fit around the barrel (you guys seen THAT?)
2: grind the barrel
3: raise the cheekpiece

Apparantly McMillan saw a market for adjustable cheekpieces with large objective scopes... their words, not mine.

jeffe

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Howard

What did you see that was good at the Guild show. Anything stand out to you.

Yeah what stood out to me and I was very happy to see it were the young guild memebers. There were a large number of young smiths with tables. The previous times I was there almost everyone displaying their talents were guys well past retirement age. It was very nice to see young blood following in the footsteps of the old masters.

Howard

Details man, details. Who did you see. What did they have that looked really good.

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It doesn't help you mount the scope, but , a high cheek piece will allow you to use a high scope mount and maintain a decent cheek weld with the stock. I understood this from the get go

Seems like common sense to me
I am curious as to how the "proper" rings and bases eliminate the need or desire for a adjustable cheek piece for certain shooting applications.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Howard

Details man, details. Who did you see. What did they have that looked really good.

What details do you want? It all looked good.

I will try to post some pictures.

If you try to raise the comb enough so that you can see down the center of the scope you will run into problems with the bolt clearing the stock. Parallax is caused by head movement when the scope is out of focus in regards to the range. If it is in focus you can move your head around and the cross hairs do not move.

The Leupold big scope with the bottom indent was a design to incoroporate a large objective lens and allow you to have a low mount which is a good thing even if Jeffe doesn't think so. It is bigger than I wish to use but the idea is sound. They did have to add extra lenses inside to compensate for the indent but they worked it out.

I got to see the new Leupold VX 7 scopes at the guild show and they looked like a great scope. I don't know how much impact they will have on Zeiss and Swarovski sales but time will tell.

They had an interesting one piece mount that removed the rings and scope with one button. It was actually a german design.

Howard, start a new thread and I will add some photos that I have.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by jimmyd223:

quote:

sounds like a dumb solution, BOTH that is, for a non-existant problem... if the scope is too big, either get the right stock to take a huge scope or don't use a huge scope...

WTF!!! What has the stock got to do with the scope mounting? Is this a new scope mounting solution from weaponsmith.com

Yes, jimmy...
there's more to gunsmithing than rubbing cold blue on a purchased rifle, you know?

ADJUSTABLE CHECK PIECE

For putting super tall rings to keep super large onjective scopes off the barrel..

like putting a cheek piece pad on an ar15 or m1903a4 sniper rifle...

this little trick has been out "awhile"

you knw, there's this "little known" stock company, called mcmillan brothers,
that makes a SIX HUNDRED DOLLAR stock to do exactly this. .. the A-5




not my style of gun, shooting techinque, or stock, but some friends of mine are making pretty good money building this tactical rifles.


yes, jimmy, there is certainly more to the world that you are aware of, and every post you makes confirms that for everyone on the planet.


Do you GET IT now, jimmy?

how do you get the scope off the barrel...
use taller scope mounts

how do you get a cheekweld so you can use the too tall scope mounts?
get an adjustable cheekpiece.

Jeffe,

Don't them there screw knobs kinda hurt when a right handed shooter touches off his som-bitch big boomer?

Guess I'm a day late an a dollar short. All I see in the original post is xxx.

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Jeffe,

Don't them there screw knobs kinda hurt when a right handed shooter touches off his som-bitch big boomer?

Jim, No more than having the bolt cutout on the left side. That's a lefty stock.

Damn, I come back from lunch and think I have missed some good gun porn, and all it is is this #$&% thread renamed LOL