Is the bottom metal, with the inside the bow release for the Withworth's available anywhere.
If it is will it fit a 06 size action box?

The reason for asking is, thinking of getting a Withworth/Interarms rifle and putting it in a Whitworth stock, matching the barrel contour (of the .375H&H Whithworth Express) in 9.3x62 and adding NECG sights.

To have a reasonably priced Withworth Express (.375H&H) looking rifle in 9.3X62. But would want to add the Withworth inside the bow release floor plate.

Is this a reasonable thing to do or are there some hidden problems I am not thinking of?

I'm aware of blackburn botttom metal but A. its a bit spendy and B. dont know if it would fit the stock correctly or not.

Allen

these seem to be going for 150 on ebay for in the bow, and 100 for pushbutton, in 30-06

I think a better option would be to find a 1909 Argentine triggerguard assembly (about $125 on ebay) and fit a Wisner straddle floorplate ($65). Magazine box would have to be lengthened. I am having Tom G. fit a Wisner Argentine floorplate to a Whitworth, which is a bit of a problem cause the Argentine floorplate is slightly shorter than the Mark X, so has to be tigged and remachined.

jeffeosso,does it matter if the Floorplate comes from a 06 based cartrage or .375H&H chambering? Is there a differance?

fla3006,what is the advantage of the 1909 route?

What would you figure the cost of having the magazine box lenghened & floorplate tigged and remachinded?

Will it fit the Withworth Express stock?Or are you using a differnt stock?

Allen

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jeffeosso,does it matter if the Floorplate comes from a 06 based cartrage or .375H&H chambering? Is there a differance?

Nope the floorplate is the same. It is just the box that is longer. If you are trying to get a close fit to your stock then I would stay with the late MKX or Daly

The Interarms/Withworth actions are the same as the FN mauser, correct?

So a FN action would fit a Whithworth stock if I read the old posts correctly?

Allen

A guy named "ROSTOV" has them on Auction Arms all the time. Usually sell in the vacinity of $100 and take several rounds through the auctions to sell. If you Search on AA for a week or two you will have several to choose from.

Allen, Mark X bottom metal is wider than FN or military Mausers. You can adapt Mark X triggerguard to an FN or military Mauser stock but not FN to a Mark X stock.

Marc, on AA are you talking about FNs or Interarms Mark Xs?
Based on price I would assume it's Mark Xs.

Allen

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Allen, Mark X bottom metal is wider than FN or military Mausers. You can adapt Mark X triggerguard to an FN or military Mauser stock but not FN to a Mark X stock.

Allen the FN action should fit. There might be an issue of the safety area.The stock will be inletted for a slide and the FN usually had it on the bolt. As Fla3006 said an Fn bottom would leave a little gap. Fn top and MKX bottom should work.

Mk X with in side the bow release. If you watch for a couple of weeks you will see them for short and long cartridges.

Do MK Xs clean up as nice as a FN?

I mean with surface grinding, polishing the inside of action and the bolt?

Also, is there a differance in the fit of the bolt "play" between the two?

Allen

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Do MK Xs clean up as nice as a FN

Usually. I saw a couple MKX over the years (several of the new Dalys) that had been over polished. Leaving some of the corners rounded and the holes egg shaped. Easy to see on inspection. If I lay one of my early MKX next to a FN I can't really see any difference. Fit and function are also basically the same. The FN will carry a little more value.

If you are looking at a late model Whitworth stock it will have groves cut for the cross pin release. I prefer the bow release from the earlier MKXs. Later MKxs and the Dalys had the cross pin.

The magazine whether it is short(243) long or magnum is the same. The short has a box in the back to fill space it can be removed. The 375 length has a sheet metal extension to the box that doesn't shange the floor plate profile. From the factory the long and 375 length had the same follower.

I found 2 Mk X actions from the 70s.I haven't seen pic of them yet am told they are in very good shape with no rust or pitting.

Is there a way to determine the year of manufacture based on serial numbers?

The are asking $250.00 Ea. They may go lower I have not asked. As I'm not sure if they are even what I am looking for.

Allen

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AllenBosely: Do MK Xs clean up as nice as a FN?

With enough polishing in the right places they will. Where there is a big difference is the insides. Mark Xs are quite a bit rougher. There is also a very noticable difference in the fit and finish on the action and barrel of a factory FN sporter versus some other rifles made with FN actions, Sears rifles for instance. There is no finer finished factory rifle than the factory FN Deluxe Sporter IMHO. Check out the polishing, the crisp edges and the rust blue on one, it doesn't get any better.

$250 is a reasonable price on the Mark Xs. Also a good action.

I have a Whitworth .375 that was my high school graduation present (too many) years ago. At the time I was really impressed with it. As I have learned more about guns in general and fine guns in particular, I don't think much of them at all. There are much better actions out there than the Mk X.

For some reason, lots of folks get defensive about their rifles when I just report what I have seen. I am not intending to gore anyone's ox. I am just stating my life experiences. Now that I am a custom gunmaker, I cam say that I can't imagine using a Mk X action for a fine gun. It can be done, but it would cost a fortune to make it right. And end the end, you would still have a gun built on a Mk X action.

For a working gun-sure, go for it!

For a nicer gun, start with something else.

So it all depends on the quality level that is acceptable to you

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For a working gun-sure, go for it!

For a nicer gun, start with something else.

I agree 100%. I have numerous MKX based rifles. But, they are all hunters. Sure maybe a little upgrade on the wood time to time. But basic hunters. The MKX will never carry a high resale value. For a dream rifle I would look to something else.

Since he was talking about using a late model Whitworth stock I ASSUMED he was building a shooter.

Ditto both posts above. I presently have 2 Whitworths and have owned several other Mark Xs. Very good rifles. But I much prefer Belgian, Czech and German Mausers, especially for building a custom.

Marc,

You made a fair post.

Would you consider listing the actions you consider good choices for best quality expensive custom rifles?

Thanks.

For large ring '98's (to keep it apples-to-apples) my personal preference would be for an Oberndorf '08, '09, Standard Modell, commercial action, or VZ24, or Steyer 1912. These actions are generally nicer a higher percentage of the time in my experience. But of cousre these are all very old now, and time has not been kind to many examples.

But if you find an example of one of the above models that has been taken care of stored properly, then on the whole they will be nicer actions than many out there.

Personally, I would rather hear what Mr. Wiebe likes. He has seen a lot more than me!

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Marc_Stokeld: my personal preference would be for an Oberndorf '08, '09

DWM Berlin, not Oberndorf.

Thanks for catching and correcting!

IIRC, GPC has a variety of large ring Mauser trigger guard assemblies, including a version specifically for an Interarms Mark X. I believe that they refer to them as "Mauser 98 commercial hinged trigger guard assemblies".

The last time I bought them, to go on a pair of Brazilian 1908 actions, I paid around $80 per.

Jeff

Thanks Marc.

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IIRC, GPC

Who is IIRC, GPC?

If I remember correctly, Gun Parts Corp.

Rojelio

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If I remember correctly, Gun Parts Corp

Ok Numrich I'm up to speed now.

The AuctionArms and other Whitworth/Interarms bottom metals are miles ahead of the Numrich bottom metals.

09 Argentine on GunBroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=78353449