Has anyone experienced one of these conversions of the M/70 to takedown? I am curious because it would be a neat idea to get one on my custom and then another barreled portion in a larger caliber. [6.5X55 & 376 Steyr]

Your thoughts?

333_OKH,

Did you just win the lottery or marry a rich woman or what???

Looks to be the same set up as H-S precision. I had two of the H-S's and it was neat but the second barrel set up was not the 1/2" as promised.

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Did you just win the lottery or marry a rich woman or what???

It really is a long story!

I am also planning on a multi-year assembly to help with cost.

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was not the 1/2" as promised.

was it 1 inch?

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Originally posted by 333_OKH:

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Did you just win the lottery or marry a rich woman or what???

It really is a long story!

I am also planning on a multi-year assembly to help with cost.

Brother, I’m just getting a kick out of your posts because you are obviously enjoying the hell out of the rifle[s] you’re building, and that’s a great thing! You seem to be going for the best stuff you can get and if these rifles turn out half as good as what you are describing then you will have some really great pieces you can certainly be proud of.

Just wait until my wife actually finds out how much I spend on these! No worries, I have a new car idea that will keep her off of my tracks until they are done.

God bless the tall redhead! I gotta love her!

As jimmyD223 said, Looks to be similar to HS-Precision, who did/does Winchesters Factory ordered Takedown work.
I have not yet seen a Zhat TD rifle in the flesh.
But I can tell you I have seen the Factory Win. TD rifle(.300win). Weighed a tonne and I did not like the workmanship.Felt terrible going together and apart.IMO the threads werent the best( according to standards that I appreciate)
What is Zhat charging for its Td rigs?

Just to give you an idea of what top notch Td works costs,MartiniHagn charge around $3k for a TD option on top of the price of their normal 1pc rifle.
An extra barrel costs About $3750 complete with wood&sights,add another $950 if you want integral features.
Their work is worlds apart from HS precision.Their threads square form,chromed,extremely well fitting, all so smooooth, lock up is crisp and precise.
No matter what budget I was on,I would rather wisely have one superbly fitted barrel than any number of mediocre ones. If I could not afford TD work of approriate quality,then I would suffer the wait till I could.
But as I said, I have not seen Zhats TD work to comment on it. just thought the other info would be helpfull in some way.

first,
zeglin (poster here) is fred zeglin, so PM him and ask about it. He's pretty straightforward and a good guy, in my book.

Fred's prices seem to be reasonable to me, I would except the take down to be reasonable for that level of rifle.

next
you are mixing boltfaces, and should have 2 bolts... NOW you are talking about $$$$, as model 70 bolt is $$ and then it would be headspaced to the other barrel... seems like more of accident than having one bolt headspaced to 2 barrels.

jeffe

It is a little hard to see, whether the barrel is threaded and simply screws into the receiver (like the H.S.Precision take-downs do), or whether the barrel has an extension, into which the bolt locks directly?? The latter system is used by manufacturers like Dakota, Sauer and several of the high end European custom makers (Johannsen, among others). When the bolt locks up directly into the barrel, there are no issues with headspace, and there is also no issue with the threads becoming worn with repeated assembly/disassembly. However, this latter system requires quite a significan modification of the action (threads and lug-recesses to be machined out), as well as introduction of the barrel extension for the direct lockup.

- mike

Jeffe,

Unless I am mistaken, 333 is planning on using a MRC action for this project. As such, I wonder if it would be possible to simply order up an extra bolt?

From Fred's website...

The basic takedown conversion is a full thread system based on the 100 year old, tried and true, Thomas Bland design. We firmly believe in rugged and simple mechanisms, that's exactly what this design delivers. We follow this line of thinking for basic reasons, rugged designs will last and work when more delicate designs will have already worn out. Simplicity of design also insure longevity, not to mention reliability, and accuracy.

Click here to read an article about our takedown 95 conversion.

This takedown involves the installation of a heavy contact plate on the barrel assembly, so that the barrel will always index to the same point. The 95 Winchester and Browning actions are fitted to the plate/barrel assembly, and a simple lock screw holds the assembly tightly aligned.

Multiple barrels are certainly possible. The best way to do this is with a separate complete forearm/barrel assembly, so you can quickly and easily switch barrels and calibers. The original factory barrel can be converted, as can any new barrel. Now you can have the combination you always dreamed of, one gun many calibers.

Popular caliber combinations are 30-06, and 375 Hawk/Scovill, 30-40 Krag, and 405 Winchester, 270 Winchester and 411 Hawk, 338-06 and 35 Whelen are very popular in the 95 as well, many other cartridges are also good choices. Any of our line of Hawk Cartridges will work in the 95 with the 06 bolt face.

Scout scope mounted on one barrel and Iron sights on another makes for an interesting combination. The scout scope works well with the flatter shooting calibers. The more traditional look of iron sights is best with the slower (steeper trajectory) calibers.

We have developed a version of this takedown design for the Winchester Model 70 bolt action. This is a great setup with the various length actions you can have have just about any caliber you want in a takedown.

Custom made for our takedowns an aluminum travel case of unparalleled quality, is a popular option. Black is standard, other colors available. If you travel to hunt you know how important it is to protect your rifle. Our custom cases made just for our takedowns are designed to snugly hold the rifle in transit. At the same time this case looks more like a tool box than a gun case, so it's less likely to attract unwanted attention from baggage handlers.

Thanks guys. Bolt face is an issue! I am still looking at options. This looked interesting considering some of hte hunting I do. I have a takedown 1903 Mannlicher S, but it comes apart different. Great gun in a leather case for backpacking.

Tex,
having two bolts.. is, well, like having a dozen screw drivers, 1/2 straight, 1/2 philips.. and you know that the first THREE you pick up will be the opposite of what you are looking for.

One bolt, either a take down or a switch barrel arrangement, means you change ONE thing.

Of course, with my luck, loosing one bolt or the other would mean I would loose either the opposite scope or ammo on a trip

jeffe

Holland and Holland style is a better proposition IMHO. Less sexy but no wear, simpler and hence cheaper. I use one most days for my stalking - It works!

1894, educate us (me) about the H&H take-down system, please?? Pictures would be much appreciated, as would a description.
- mike

Just for another thought, Empire rifles offers a takedown, and I have had one in my hands for a little while, and damn is it precise. Screw in threads with a spring button detant and mating recess. Sweet setup and consistently accurate.

Just FYI--Regards--Don

So, what is the cost/price of a Take Down rifle from Z-Hat or from Empire Rifles.

I hate when I see all this cool stuff without knowing how much it would set me back.

Thanks.

Tim

I've dealt with Fred Zeglin before and rate him as a great guy to work with that does outstanding work. I don't think Fred would let something out of his shop that wasn't right.

As for the chamberings, why not a real "Diana" rifle with barrels in 275 H&H, 300 H&H, and 375 H&H???

I did a little research on here about the Z-Hat rifles and everyone has good marks. I take it they do good work?

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Originally posted by Shumba:
So, what is the cost/price of a Take Down rifle from Z-Hat or from Empire Rifles.

I hate when I see all this cool stuff without knowing how much it would set me back.

Thanks.

Tim

Sooooooo, how much $$$$$ ????????