Hi
My new ruger sports a barrel which is only .550 inch diameter att the muzzle! i find it too thin. how would be the accuraccy in such a thin barrel? do you have som accuracy problem with your rugers? i have to find it by myself,but i have long to shooting field for an accuracy test and now am very buisy. if you have experienced good or bad accuracy with your ruger .then please tell me about it.
regards
yazid

Barrel diameter has little to do with accuracy. I have more Rugers than I need, they all shoot sub-MOA.

I'm not sure I agree w/ DD. Accuracy inherent in the tolerances of a barrel is one thing, but practical accuracy is dependant on many barrel characteristics including rigidity. This is the reason you don't see light sporters (#1 or #2)on bench guns, target rifles, etc. Heat is another issue.

Yet, your question is about rugers. I've had three w/ vastly diffrent results.

1) 22-250 sporter weight, cut back from 24 to 22 inches and recrowned. Brown Precision stock. Accuracy was .3 - .5 MOA for 5 shot groups. This gun shot everything well.

2) 25-06 sporter weight, factory wood, epoxy bedded. Accuracy was OK. 1 to 1.5 MOA w/ most loads. Picky about what it liked. Only one load w/ Nosler BT shot regularly under MOA.

3) 257 Roberts, sporter weight. High Tech stock. Terrible accuracy. Complained to Ruger, but they said barrel was w/i required accuracy. Tried 1/2 dozen different powders, nosler, Hornady, Remington bullets. A "good" group w/ 2 MOA. Many were twice that.

I have no rugers left. All have been sold for Winchesters & Remingtons, wherein w/ less work, I usually get MOA groups (or less - I've a 7 mag that shoots regularly in the .5 to .8 w/ nosler 150 BTs).

I currently have 4 Rugers. 3 of them have factory barrels and are capable of better than MOA. The 7 MM Rem was capable of MOA, but it was my go to gun for 20 years, and it now wears a Douglas because I shot out the factory barrel.

It's not the small muzzle diameter on Ruger that I don't like, its the small diameter at the midsection of the barrel that bothers me

Beartrack, I understand your thoughts but offer this for consideration. Accuracy is a matter of putting your bullets where you want them, precision relates to repeatability. The former is signigicant as it relates to first round shot placement, the latter to subsequent shots. The question falls within the parameters of "will this work for hunting" in my view and that is the basis for my response. There are a multitude of variables that influence dispersion, and they are at play in all rifles. Target shooters have to deal with this due to time constraints, hunters do not.

All else being equal, barrel diameter has no influence on accuracy. When you start shooting strings, all else is NOT equal. It is a fine distinction I know, but it is the truth. For the same reasons barrel length is of no consequence insofar as accuracy is concerned, even though precision may be enhanced by shorter lengths.

Yes,

This is a relative thing, as is too thin. What caliber is this barrel?

The first thing is to have enough steel so the barrel contains pressure from firing. This drops off from chamber to muzzle. Secondly we want enough steel for rigidity. Third is enough mass to handle the heat of firing without getting too hot (bore will be damaged). The amount of mass needed depends on application.

jim

By far my most used rifle is a Rem 700, 30-06 with a 20 inch barrel measuring .510 at the muzzle. Weight with scope about 6 1/4 pounds Moose, caribou, bear, sheep, deer in Alaska. Deer and antelope in the lower 48.
Advantages: Light weight (carried more than shot) and first shot accuracy.
Disadvantages: Light weight--balance is toward the rear and it is difficult to steady in a standing position especially. Light weight and short barrel tends to make for more recoil and muzzle blast. It strings vertically after about three shots, something I have never been able to correct. Last problems have only been at the range because the first shot accuracy has been consistant and relatively few shots are taken at game.
If you're going to shoot a lot then thin, short barrels might not be the best choice but if you are carrying more then you're shooting there are advantages.
Enjoy.

hi hunter jim
my rifle is in 3006 and i think ruger should have them at least in 0,600 inch even better 0,650 or even 0,700 inch. a hunting rifle is better when you have the the weight in the front part for off hand shooting. and more steel in the barrel means more rigidity. i gave to my son my savage 22 mag with heavy barrel 20 mm at muzzle. with that gun i could shoot 4 shots in the seize of 1/4 inch at 40 yards off hand. no other gun has preformed so well.
regards
yazid

Yazid,

Your Ruger barrel has a wall thickness of (.550 - .308)/2 = .121. I would agree with you that is definitely light.

I looked at Pac Nor's website, and that barrel is a "lightweight" by theirdefinition. I usually go for a Number 3 Sporter contour, which would be .625".

A quarter inch off hand at 40 yards is excellent shooting, even with a 20 mm (.787") heavy target barrel.

The good news is you can rebarrel the rifle.

jim

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hi the rebarreling is not a good news here,
1- the cost of a new barrel is as much as a new ruger.
2- you need to search for a new weapon licens for the new barrel which costs and take at last one month.
3- importing and installing at a gunsmith costs a lot and takes around 3-6 month!
i don't understand why att ruger they have spoiled such a nice gun by making such a thin barrells ? nobody has died carying a few ounce more weight. .
i hope somebody shall tell them aboput this . please make them with at least 0.650 inch diameter att muzzle. i like very much my ruger ,but not the thiny barrel on it.
regards
yazid
it is much easier to shoot a 22 mag than a 3006. i haven't yet tried the 06 for off-hand rapid fire shooting.

My daughter jsut recived a new ruger in 30-06 same barrel shoots very well. With no load development it well put 3 hornday sp in less then a inch.

why do they do it because someone there decided that that was the best barrel size.

If one wants a bigger barrel one should go to a varmint profile.

Why does remington make a TI rifle that is just over 5 lbs.

Beause people buy them.

Yes E.R Shaw Inc 5312 Thoms Run Rd Bridgeville, PA 412-221-4343 will rebarrel your rifle , My Question why did you buy the rifle ?

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Originally posted by yes:
Hi
My new ruger sports a barrel which is only .550 inch diameter att the muzzle! i find it too thin. how would be the accuraccy in such a thin barrel? do you have som accuracy problem with your rugers? i have to find it by myself,but i have long to shooting field for an accuracy test and now am very buisy. if you have experienced good or bad accuracy with your ruger .then please tell me about it.
regards yazid

Contrary to the experience of some, I have never had any accuracy problems with my Rugers-but I've only owned 8 of them so far (not including handguns!!). One M77 old-style, and 7 No. 1's.

hi
these thin barrels are going to be a problem,because here in Sahara in order to get your hunting licens you ought to shoot at runing target 4 times in the heart of a runing elk at 100 yards moving at the speed of 20 mile/hour. for this purpose you need to excersie a lot evey year with your hunting rifle . and you need to shoot very fast! i feel that it will not work well with such a thiny bbl. it is going to go very hot!!!
i blame the ruger for that. i didn't want to buy a mountain rifle i didn't saw the muzzle diameter in their site or catalog.
regards
yazid

yazid,

How much do Rugers cost there in Sweden?

George

my dear friend mister
in sahara the cost of ruger is eqivallant of 6 good cammels and if you want it the original rings you have to pay a calf for it 6 camel and a calf.Sweden is a far far away,but let me see: In sweden according to the exchange rate it would be about 6000 swedish mark for the gun and 500 + for the rings
regards
yazid

Yazid,

If the mountain won'd come to us, we must go to the mountain.

I shoot a Steyr Scout in .308 Win. It is short (1 meter), and has a very light weight fluted barrel only 19" long (483 mm). The muzzle diameter is .530" (13.5mm).

I have practiced with this rifle and moving targets so I can shoot as well as required. Not as easy as with a rifle built for moving targets, but "good enough".

Perhaps there is a shooting school there where you can practice?

jim

my dear fiend mister hunterjim
at my age (celebrated 84 24/10 /05) it is maybe too late for me to begin the school again . i wish i could see you shooting att runing target with your boy scout rifle. . when it comes to shoot at moving target beleive me i can the art
regards
yazid

I've been using a Ruger 77 RL Ultralight in 270 nearly exlusively for 17 years now for hunting mule deer and white tails. It was a 3-inches at 100 yards rifle until a couple of weeks ago when I torqued the action screws down tight. It now shoots three-shot groups well under an inch, while the five shot groups do open up to 1.25 inches.

Too often we think heavy barrels for multi-shot repeatability. We're talking about a hunting rifle which has needs other than extended shot grouping. To me, most important is that the first and second shots, and hopefully the third, should go to the same point of aim from a cold barrel. (Though "cold barrels" might have a different meaning in the Sahara than Virginia...) Mine does, and with a 0.550" muzzle. This isn't my only rifle, but it does work, even with the thin barrel.

Jaywalker

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Originally posted by yes:
my dear friend mister
in sahara the cost of ruger is eqivallant of 6 good cammels and if you want it the original rings you have to pay a calf for it 6 camel and a calf.Sweden is a far far away,but let me see: In sweden according to the exchange rate it would be about 6000 swedish mark for the gun and 500 + for the rings
regards
yazid

If Sweden is so far away, why are you logged in from a Swedish ISP? Is your wireless connection THAT good?

George

my very dear mister george I have my winter residance in SWeden , i turn back to sahara sommer time when it is nice and hot over ther
regards
Yazid ebn hisham Alsahrawi

If you lived in Sweden at all, you'd know they use the krone, not marks, as their currency.

How sad that you must post lies about yourself on an Internet forum...

George

It seems to me that todays sporter barrels are thinner. Probably the manufacturers would say it makes for a lighter rifle so it's more enjoyable to carry. I think the truth is probably that the thinner the barrel the cheaper it is to produce, so they make it thin then apply "up-pressure" to offset the negative factor. Why suddenly do we require up-pressure on our rifles? I don't have great faith in most of our manufacturers anymore. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

I applaude you GeorgeS

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Originally posted by Cal Sibley:
It seems to me that todays sporter barrels are thinner. I think the truth is probably that the thinner the barrel the cheaper it is to produce, Best wishes. Cal - Montreal

Cal I don't think a thin barrel is cheaper to produce. Most barrel blanks start at about 1.2"
To reduce cutting heat more passes are required for a thin barrel than a heavey one. But perhaps they try to save on shipping weight,ha?

Hammer-Forged, i.e., most production, barrels don't start from inch-thick stock, but from 8 or 10 inch stock, IIRC. I would think that, at least for H-F barrels, the thinner barrels take a little longer and more hammer strikes to produce than the heavier barrels do, and should therefore cost a bit more. Increments, maybe, because a standard barrel may only take three minutes to hammer out.

Stock size shouldn't be a cost issue with cut rifled barreled, since they start and finish the same size.

Button-rifled barrels rifles start from one-inch+ stock, but the smaller they end up, the more effective the stress relief has to be for the barrel to be any good. Marlin .22 rimfire barrels are button-rifled, but not stress relieved - some are good and some aren't. A good, thin BR barrel might actually cost more than a standard or heavier barrel, I think.

Jaywalker

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Originally posted by yes:
hi
these thin barrels are going to be a problem,because here in Sahara in order to get your hunting licens you ought to shoot at runing target 4 times in the heart of a runing elk at 100 yards moving at the speed of 20 mile/hour. ..yazid

Yazid,
i wasn't aware that there are elk in the sahara.. Must be a darn hard hunting test, to hit a 10cm target moving at 3218688cm per hour, 894 cm/s,, you guys certainly are better shots that most people.

Do you happen to have a link to that regulation? I find it amazing that this requirement is met by even a small majority of shooters..

jeffe

Dear Mister G, Semel
I am sorry if I wrote wrong value for sweden . I was just too buisy. answering to your questions were
1- i am an old man granpa originally form middle east.

2- i live partially in sweden and in oreder to get what it called Jägarexamen you ought to shoot a serie of shooting which you have to mange to shoot in the chest of a runnung elk(called ÄLG) 4 fast shot and all 4 shots must be inside the heart and lung of the target.to get your license.
my question is why are you so curiuos about me?
1-my first question are you working for a som organisation like stacy fsb etc?
2- isn't it ugly to call someone liar . because you can,t know every thing about him.because he visit a hunting site. i am curius too !! what is your origin i can't place really your name Semel!! are you originally from som east european coutry?
my last question is is it your picture with the buff? how many shots it took? how many were yours? how many were PH'S
with my humble regards
Yazid ebn el hisham al sahrawi

my dear jeffeso
as I mentioned ti mister G.semel.
i live partially in sweden. in sweden they don.t wany bad shooters crpple thousends of animals yearly . hunting is regulated by hunter's asociation called jägareförbundet. and for every type of hunting . the hunter's abillity is tested and hunters have to get certification for the kind of hunting they are doing. it is a good tradition which i like very much. in sweden the hunters are not follwed by a PH , which shoots the first and the last round as i have seen in many hunting videos .
regards
Yazid