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<PA_Mag_Hunter>
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Recieved gun as a gift, but may trade it off tomorrow. Its a Winchester Super Grade but I have never used one and don't know how they stack up to a Remington 700
 
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You're kidding, right? Those are very nice rifles, far nicer than any Remington 700.

Keep that gun, man. You'll regret trading it away. If you insist on getting rid of it, post an ad in the Classified Forum of this site; you'll get plenty of interest.

George

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<ultramag>
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I have a few Rem. 700's. You can take your pick.

 
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HA ha ha Great joke! You are kidding right?
 
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Where are you, I'll come pick it up!

 
Posts: 398 | Location: Texas | Registered: 27 September 2000Reply With Quote
<Kerry.S>
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I'll trade you all my guns for that one and take care of all the shipping and fees.

What kind of insult to Winchester is that.
come on compared to a Remington give me a break you're talking about a semi custom rifle one of winchesters better rifles with out going to the custom shop.
You have a great friend to give you shuch a rifle.
Kerry

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quick check him to see if he has a fever!

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Posts: 8351 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001Reply With Quote
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The only reason to tote a Winchester,is if you lost a bet............
 
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<Kerry.S>
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I don't know about that Big Stick. Then why does Remington use a design that Paul Mauser knew was inferior and redesigned it as the M98. I'm referring to the integrated extractor that Rem and most other manufactures use,Paul mauser came up with this as early as 1889(I have a 1891 Arg.)then he realized that the design was not in common with reliability and so he came up with the claw extractor.
Kerry

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I heard the reason Remington started using the round receiver was that they got a good deal on a train load of tubular steel back in 1949.

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Posts: 8351 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001Reply With Quote
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I wouldn't allow a Remington, to clutter my gun cabinet! I do have a couple Model 70's
 
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You CRF guys kill me(grin).............
 
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Big Stick,

In my case, it's not a CRF issue. It's a quality issue.
It's a Super Grade versus a Remington. The Super Grade is a far more attractive rifle with better wood and better finish.

Remington doesn't make anything that compares to the Super Grade, do they?

George
(owner of 6 CRF's, and 14 push-feeds)

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Posts: 14623 | Location: San Antonio, TX | Registered: 22 May 2001Reply With Quote
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Remington has the custom shop! Still don't want one.
 
Posts: 3097 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: 28 November 2001Reply With Quote
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George,

Certainly they do. It's called the KS Mountain Rifle and amongst my favorite styles,for duty use. I'd rather have the LSS Mountain Rifle as well.

As far as getting excited about a Factory issued stick of wood,they are few and far between. If I'm after something with figure and colors that excite me,I'll pick a blank out and have one built.

The Supergrade's wood never did much for me on the average,other than it is better than what is typically encountered over the counter. Of course that isn't saying much. It pales to a really good blank,but is priced different too.

I fail to see the attraction...............

 
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GSF,
A friend and his friend had Custom Shop rifles, and not only did they not shoot well, they were not what one would expect from a "Custom Shop" (fit & finish were no better than standard production rifles).

Big Stick,
To each his own. The KS is a synthetic-stocked rifle, and the LSS is a laminate. Comparing either of them to a classically-styled rifle (i.e., blue steel and walnut) is not valid in this case.

George

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<Big Stick>
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George,

Certainly it is valid,as this is a discussion on aesthetics and subjective by nature.

To my eye,function is beautiful and that is why I happened to mention those specific rifles.

My point was simple. If I sought to field a nice chunk of wood,it couldn't be found on a Supergrade. I'd choose a blank and craft it in a style that suited me and to my prescribed dimensions.

To be charged extra from the Factory,for a marginal chunk of wood and a rifle stamped "Supergrade" isn't my answer.

Not an arguement,simply differing opinion...........

 
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Case in point. This from Winchester's Website. http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/md70/m70_supergrade.htm

You'd think it to be a splendid example,with a choice piece of wood,being it is their Catalog Showpiece. My eyes don't reveal that..............

 
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George, I said I didn't want one, I looked at a $2400 Remington Custom shop rifle, what a rip off!
 
Posts: 3097 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: 28 November 2001Reply With Quote
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GSF,
I was just backing you up on your position.

Big Stick,
Actually, the original poster (whose thread we have hijacked ) asked how the Super Grade stacked up against the Remington 700.
The aesthetics of the two rifles should be apparent to him; I think he was asking about the quality of the rifles.
I own eight Remington 700s; four were customized into what I wanted, and the other four are awaiting customization.
The last Remington BDL I bought convinced me that Remington had lost its manuals on quality control. Awful checkering, poor wood-to-metal fit, locking lugs didn't bear evenly, and the action was rough internally.
None of the five Model 70s I've bought since had any of those flaws.

Now, as for product offerings: a Remington LSS Mountain rifle lists for $757 (laminated birch); the KS Mountain rifle (Kevlar) lists for $1257-1434. Both use the same action as the standard BDL. The barrels are produced in-house and no different than the barrels used on BDLs, except for their contour.
The two Mountain rifles list for between $100-$800 more than the standard BDL with no special upgrade in quality or finish.

The Winchester Super Grade (walnut)lists for $995-1024. That's $220-250 more than a standard M-70 for (at a minimum) nicer wood, inletted swivel studs, and a contrasting fore-end tip.

Your beef is that the wood on the Super Grade doesn't warrant the extra $200, but does a Kevlar stock increase the value of a Remington by $800?

George

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Posts: 14623 | Location: San Antonio, TX | Registered: 22 May 2001Reply With Quote
<500 AHR>
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GerogeS,

Only if you do not mind paying twice as much for the same kevlar stock you can buy yourself aftermarket.

To me the Win M70 supergrade is as much a improvement over the M700 BDL as a Weatherby MkV Eurosport would be. M700 are cheap plain and simple. That doesn't mean they do not work, it is just a fact. Lets face it Remington used to make a mauser derivative then cost saved it down to the M700 to improve their bottom line.

Todd E

 
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<Big Stick>
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George,

Very good point(Buyer beware).

I bought a slug of those KS stocks for $125 each. I'd be willing to roll them over,for a paultry $700(grin)................

 
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Big Stick,
Did you buy them from the guy running the ad in Gun List?

I almost bought one or two, as he had them in LH, but they were ADLs, and I needed the one with the floorplate cutout.

George

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Posts: 14623 | Location: San Antonio, TX | Registered: 22 May 2001Reply With Quote
<Big Stick>
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George,

No a different source. ADL to BDL,is a 5min job with a dremel. Lay the BDL bottom "metal" on the belly of the stock,index with the action screws and trace with a pencil.

Zip -zip,buzz-buzz a little sandpaper and you are in business...........

 
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Damn! Another missed opportunity!

George

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