13 January 2002, 14:42
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Keep that gun, man. You'll regret trading it away. If you insist on getting rid of it, post an ad in the Classified Forum of this site; you'll get plenty of interest.
George
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Where are you, I'll come pick it up!
What kind of insult to Winchester is that.
come on compared to a Remington give me a break you're talking about a semi custom rifle one of winchesters better rifles with out going to the custom shop.
You have a great friend to give you shuch a rifle.
Kerry
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[This message has been edited by Kerry.S (edited 01-13-2002).]
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[This message has been edited by Bear Claw (edited 01-13-2002).]
In my case, it's not a CRF issue. It's a quality issue.
It's a Super Grade versus a Remington. The Super Grade is a far more attractive rifle with better wood and better finish.
Remington doesn't make anything that compares to the Super Grade, do they?
George
(owner of 6 CRF's, and 14 push-feeds)
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Certainly they do. It's called the KS Mountain Rifle and amongst my favorite styles,for duty use. I'd rather have the LSS Mountain Rifle as well.
As far as getting excited about a Factory issued stick of wood,they are few and far between. If I'm after something with figure and colors that excite me,I'll pick a blank out and have one built.
The Supergrade's wood never did much for me on the average,other than it is better than what is typically encountered over the counter. Of course that isn't saying much. It pales to a really good blank,but is priced different too.
I fail to see the attraction...............
Big Stick,
To each his own. The KS is a synthetic-stocked rifle, and the LSS is a laminate. Comparing either of them to a classically-styled rifle (i.e., blue steel and walnut) is not valid in this case.
George
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Certainly it is valid,as this is a discussion on aesthetics and subjective by nature.
To my eye,function is beautiful and that is why I happened to mention those specific rifles.
My point was simple. If I sought to field a nice chunk of wood,it couldn't be found on a Supergrade. I'd choose a blank and craft it in a style that suited me and to my prescribed dimensions.
To be charged extra from the Factory,for a marginal chunk of wood and a rifle stamped "Supergrade" isn't my answer.
Not an arguement,simply differing opinion...........
You'd think it to be a splendid example,with a choice piece of wood,being it is their Catalog Showpiece. My eyes don't reveal that..............
Big Stick,
Actually, the original poster (whose thread we have hijacked ) asked how the Super Grade stacked up against the Remington 700.
The aesthetics of the two rifles should be apparent to him; I think he was asking about the quality of the rifles.
I own eight Remington 700s; four were customized into what I wanted, and the other four are awaiting customization.
The last Remington BDL I bought convinced me that Remington had lost its manuals on quality control. Awful checkering, poor wood-to-metal fit, locking lugs didn't bear evenly, and the action was rough internally.
None of the five Model 70s I've bought since had any of those flaws.
Now, as for product offerings: a Remington LSS Mountain rifle lists for $757 (laminated birch); the KS Mountain rifle (Kevlar) lists for $1257-1434. Both use the same action as the standard BDL. The barrels are produced in-house and no different than the barrels used on BDLs, except for their contour.
The two Mountain rifles list for between $100-$800 more than the standard BDL with no special upgrade in quality or finish.
The Winchester Super Grade (walnut)lists for $995-1024. That's $220-250 more than a standard M-70 for (at a minimum) nicer wood, inletted swivel studs, and a contrasting fore-end tip.
Your beef is that the wood on the Super Grade doesn't warrant the extra $200, but does a Kevlar stock increase the value of a Remington by $800?
George
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Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!
Only if you do not mind paying twice as much for the same kevlar stock you can buy yourself aftermarket.
To me the Win M70 supergrade is as much a improvement over the M700 BDL as a Weatherby MkV Eurosport would be. M700 are cheap plain and simple. That doesn't mean they do not work, it is just a fact. Lets face it Remington used to make a mauser derivative then cost saved it down to the M700 to improve their bottom line.
Todd E
Very good point(Buyer beware).
I bought a slug of those KS stocks for $125 each. I'd be willing to roll them over,for a paultry $700(grin)................
I almost bought one or two, as he had them in LH, but they were ADLs, and I needed the one with the floorplate cutout.
George
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Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!
No a different source. ADL to BDL,is a 5min job with a dremel. Lay the BDL bottom "metal" on the belly of the stock,index with the action screws and trace with a pencil.
Zip -zip,buzz-buzz a little sandpaper and you are in business...........
George
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Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!