Hello Everyone,
We had a meeting with the boss today and are starting work on the design of our big magnum action (PH) and we respect the opinions of everyone in here and want to make something that is widely accepted by everyone. Currently we are looking at it being machined but at the same token affordable. Please let us know what you would like to see in our design so that we can take the majority and incorporate them into our design. If there is something I forgot to ask about please let me know.

Regards,

Dan

Question:
Square Bridge or No Square Bridge

Choices:
Yes
No

Question:
Thread Size

Choices:
1 1/8" Thread
1 1/16" Thread

Question:
Bolt Diameter

Choices:
.750"
.800"

Question:
Magazine Type

Choices:
Drop Box (Clip)
Standard Box

Question:
How Many Rounds Should The Magazine Hold (Rigby or Jeffrey Size)

Choices:
4
5

Question:
Type of Safety?

Choices:
Slide Safety (Remington)
3 Position (Winchester)

 

Left hand?

J Zola,

We'll start with the Right Hand. Once the Right Hand is in production we'll have have our CAD guy mirror it. Most of the parts will interchange so it shouldn't be a problem doing a left hand later.

Dan

Thanks

One of the postings indicated their might be a magazine box length of 3.9? or 4.125. I would like to see the longest possible magazine length.

Thanks for requesting our opinions.

.850 bolt, please
4.125 mag

It would be nice if you could make the footprint like something already out there (CZ 550 mag, GMA, Brevex) so options for stocking would already be there.

Also please don't make the bolt handle fugly

I would generously offer to test the first action too.

Guess I forgot to ask about the magazine box length. So far 4.125" is winning.

As far as the stock, we are looking at starting a wood stock company plus we have some great contacts in the synthetic world.

Right now the idea is to either weld, dovetail or solder the bolt handle on so the variations are limitless.

Dan

Dan, very sensible to get your potential customers to offer input to the design process. The answers might be a bit muddled, but listening to the market is never a bad thing!
- mike

Well, I got them all right except for the bridge.........

Dan,

If you say your going to do it...then do it. If I had a buck for everytime I heard this story I could actually pay to have one built from scratch. And paalease, don't string us along for years! Its been known to happen.

Woody

Friends-

I have not followed this discussion in recent months.

Is McGowen Rifle taking over for Montana Rifleman on the production of the PH and Mini Actions or are you a new entrant into the market?

Does McGowen have have a web-site with any information regarding same?

If I had a standing order for a PH, who do I have the order with?

Thanks in advance for your attention to this matter.

CRF or non??

Woodrow,
Believe me when I say I know what you mean. I have been on both sides of the situation. That is why we are being very careful with this. You'll notice that I didn't say we will have it done by this day or month or year. We are in the infancy of the design and that is the main reason that I am in here asking for opinions. We are trying to build the action that everyone wants but can't get. We don't know all the answers for these actions that is why we are asking for input.

Dan

Dan- 1.2" x 16 bolt thread option.
Regular bolt thread 1 1/8 like Enfield.
Bolt diameter option of .850.
Action diameter option of 1.520" to
go with bigger thread and bolt.
Welded on bolt handle with the same
strength as an Enfield.
Magazine as long as possible.
If you want I will send you a 700H 3.25"
case that we want optional actions to
hamdle.Ed.

Ed,
I think that we have decided on a couple of things you mentioned.

1 1/8" thread
.850" Bolt Diameter

The bolt handle right now is a topic of discussion here. The boss and our head gunsmith want a 1 piece bolt & bolt handle. I myself look at being able to offer different options on the bolt handle. What do you (I may be talking out of by butt on this one) think about dovetailing and welding the bolt handle for strength? Is it possible? Is it feasible? Is it strong enough?
What is the overal length fo the 700H? We are looking at 4.125" for the longest box, is this long enough?

Dan

Dan- Dove-tailing and welding the bolt will be fairly strong.I know that if bolt body can be made as its own piece, and handle put on
it helps with the production in an all machined gun making process..As well as having
different handle options.
Here is something to perhaps explore. How about
using a 2 inch diameter piece of cold rolled 4140 and machine down to the .800/.850 bolt body
diameter but leave a bolt handle base stub
to weld different handles to. Your CNC machine can do that,you wouldn't have to turn down a
6" diameter shaft just to leave bolt handle.
Or have to have bolt and handle one piece forged,investment, etc.
That stub could be have and incorporate the
extraction cam like on the Enfield.And welding
to a heavy stub would give same strength as
a forging, investment, etc.
My 700H with 1000 gr Woodleigh is 3.95"
long crimped in Woodleigh groove.That
max box length would allow for seating out
or guys wantin to shoot heavier bullets.Ed

Ed,
I agree. I think a two piece bolt assembly will be less expensive to reproduce. Machine time is what kills every manufacturer that is why some have chosen to go with casting. The up front costs of casting are really high but the reproducibility at a less expensive cost outweighs it in the end. And I'm looking to reproduce this action at a minimal price that I can pass onto the customer. And as a former salesman I understand the value of offering variety.
We are planning on turning the bolts inhouse and then having the finish machining done outside. As we are a rifle barrel manufacturer we are probably best qualified to turn and drill a piece of round stock. It also lessens the machining process for us which as I have said before machine time can kill you. I do like your idea of leaving a stub on the rear of the bolt for the bolt handle, it makes perfect sense.
With your 700H being only 3.95" long, the 4.125" box we have been asked for should work fine for it.

Dan

Dan,

just exactly what Ed Hubel said...we have been plotting this set of dimensions for over a year now. Magazine box needs to hold three 505 Gibbs cartridges and depress the follower enough to slip the fourth round into the chamber with the extractor able to grab it. The advantage of a bolt gun over a double is firepower, and four rounds of 505 Gibbs is a double, plus a reload capacity.

This is looking good, and if it specs out I will go on record here and now and order TWO!

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Idaho,

We are very serious about this project. It is only a matter of time before all of these ideas are put down on paper to create a set of drawings that we can go to prototype with.
As to ordering not going there right now. As I said before I've been there, done that and won't paint ourselves into a corner. Once we are ready to take orders (after prototyping and testing and actually in production) we'll start taking orders.

Dan

quote:

Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
CRF or non??

Has this question been answered yet???

22WRF,

Sorry probably didn't answer it. It will be a CRF action

Dan