There are many people skilled in the fine art of gunsmithing/gun making on this forum. Has anybody put a serious effort in to developing a recoil reducing system? Not a muzzle brake or things placed in the stock. I am talking about a built in shock absorber system or gas bleed off device. I know the military has recoilless guns, but as far as I know those type of systems are not legal for civilians.

Years ago, there was a shotgun with a synthetic stock, the butt of which telescoped into itself, loaded with a spring, I believe.

might have been the "auto lite", that also had a thin tube barrel wrapped with fiberglass.

anyway, there was such an animal- didn't catch on.

Military recoiless rifles would not be real practical as shoulder fired weapons.

I cannot believe this post only got two responses. Doesn't anybody have an intrest in developing a recoil reducing system. You guys are too busy reinventing wildcats.

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Originally posted by Thomasjohn:
I cannot believe this post only got two responses. Doesn't anybody have an intrest in developing a recoil reducing system.

I dabbled with a recoil reduction system years back which called for the use of not one, but two shock absorbers. But by the time you added the wheels and seat, it became too much for a standard size pick up truck to tow.

Seriously, what are you trying to tame?

Was it Atkinson who did some work with counter-recoil pistons in gas-operated repeaters back in the 60s or 70s? There have been several recoil absorbing stocks over the years. Porting and compensators serve to redirect the rocket effect of propellant. I understand that sound suppressors also reduce or eliminate the effect propellant mass has on recoil. Otherwise, I try to use "enough gun" but not too much gun...

I think Hogue makes a buttstock with a spring loaded recoil reduction system for shotguns. I've only seen the pictures and it's pretty ugly. I've never had a problem with the recoil with a 12 gauge, even shooting clays for the whole day. I can't think of the situation where I would feel I need or want one in that caliber. But the idea is worth investigating. If you could make the felt recoil of a 458 Lott the same as a 30.06 Hornady might sell more ammo and whitetails would be mightily slain.

tin can -

I believe that you may be thinking of the Hydra-Coil system that was offered for a while for shotguns and rifles. IIRC,it was a two-piece buttstock with an internal shock absorber to cushion recoil with a compression spring to return it to its original position, The spring also aided in absorbing recoil. I believe Weatherby offered the stock for a while.

TreeFarmer

TreeFarmer

not to be a smart-ass guys but the best recoil reducer is to shoot a cartridge you can handle.....

I do have a little private snicker when I read about a guy that just bought a 300 RUM and is now asking about a recoil device.....when I well know that the guy would have been just as well served by a 30-06 and didn't need the recoil device at all.

A little more on the subject.....I have found amazing comfort in the decelerator pad used on my 375 H&H and 404 Jeff.....it's really quite a help for the bigger guys!

Not always, but many times, the amount of “felt recoil†can be altered pretty dramatically by changing the design of the stock and even more imporatnt by trying different (better) holding techniques.

I’ve seen people complain about a rifle kicking, and upon close examination have found that their shooting positions and stock design were the major culprits.

Watch Saeed’s videos on here of all the guys shooting that T-Rex thing. Saeed appears the be the smallest and lightest in the bunch and yet he also seemed to be the least affected (moved) by the recoil. Better holding technique maybe??????

vapodog

I think you have it right I watch lots of guys is walk away from the bench with tears in their eyes. I use a homemade decelerator pad slipped inside a flyfishing vest, I removed the pockets from the vest on the shooting side. The homemade pad is nothing more than in leather glued over blue bed roll foam. You can't tell that it has a pad in it, it's also my go to vest for hunting fishing or just going for a walk. Compass matches firestarter small knife flagging tape first aid pack and other things, because you just never know. Light enough not to be too warm on hot days, small enough to fit under your jacket on cold days

I am just wondering why there doesn't seem to be much experimenting with reducing recoil, but everybody seems to be trying to come up with their own custom wildcat.

I want a 1000 Nitro Express Dragonslayer that kicks like a 375 HH.

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Saeed appears the be the smallest and lightest in the bunch and yet he also seemed to be the least affected (moved) by the recoil. Better holding technique maybe??????

I think some of the T-Rex loads have more powder in them. I know the old trick of shooting a gun with light loads and then inviting a friend to shoot, then switch the loads and watch the fun.

Joe Shiozaki makes an air shock stock for shotguns and it tames a 12 gauge to feel like a .410. The stock has an inner and outer portion and an air cylinder that is pumped up based on the gauge you are shooting. The problem is that the outer slides on the inner and a scope could firmly plant itself in your eye.

Make the gun very heavy and it will recoil less. You aren't going to tote this around in the field anyway. Take it to the range, impress everyone and put it back on the wheeled cart and push it back to your car.

Look up Knoxx on google, I think it is the old Hogue gadget with a new name. Only two problems I can think of, first it looks bad but on a plastic stock so what. Second, how much does the front part move back? Scope might poke you.

Heh, take this with humor, from the other side of 120# of recoil

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Originally posted by Thomasjohn:
Has anybody put a serious effort in to developing a recoil reducing system?

yes.. quite a few, eugene stoner, for one, John Moses Browning, The Mauser Brothers, and several others.

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Not a muzzle brake or things placed in the stock. I am talking about a built in shock absorber system

the browning company made a mechincal pad, that collapses when shot, that's adjustable. did it work? yep. was it ugly as sin? WORSE, was it complicated? yep

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or gas bleed off device.

gas op rifles, all muzzle brakes, and recoiless rifles do that

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I know the military has recoilless guns, but as far as I know those type of systems are not legal for civilians.

those systems are legal, the SIZE required isn't. That is, the bore is too big.

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You guys are too busy reinventing wildcats.

with alot of humor, that's what this is doing... it's been tried and tried...

here's the deal
in reducing RECOIL you can either reduce velocity or go with a "Recoiless" rifle approah.

to reduce FELT recoil, you can
increase weight
decrease amount of powder burned
add a muzzle brake
lengthen LOP (it does help SOME)
install a merc tube
install a springloaded tube (m-16)
install a better pad
install a mechcanical pad
use a gas operated rifle
use a RTB rifle for competition only.

Or, you can find a recoil level you can tolerate and work around there...

jeffe

Here is such an animal on a shotgun at Auction Arms, interesting concept.

http://www.auctionarms.com/Search/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=7788111

One time at a live pigeon shoot I saw about 5 shotguns in one rack with hydra coils. I can remeber at least one was a Fabbri and the others were Perazzis. All had excellent wood, as you would expect, and the hydracoil units were close matches. I don'r know if they put faux mineral streaks on by hand or not, but the end results all looked good.

Those guys and gals were die-hard live bird shooters and they swore by the system.