P14 Swing Safety Conversion

01 March 2012, 09:23

Russ Gould

Just came into some P14 actions, recontoured and reworked for long magnums. Had to get some custom boxes made but that's done. Added Dayton trigger, spring, cocking piece etc to convert to cock on open. Recently, I saw a custom rifle on a Rem 30S (same action) with a Mauser 98 style cocking piece, converted to Win 70 swing safety. This deals with the last vestige of the "military look", the large side safety of the Enfield. Anyone know whether this cocking piece conversion is available off the shelf, or is what I saw a "one off"?

01 March 2012, 09:39

Idaho Sharpshooter

Wisner makes them. I have one on my 550 Gibbs Enfield.

Rich

01 March 2012, 17:57

Jim Kobe

I don't think Wisner is making them anymore, maybe LaPour

01 March 2012, 19:33

Don Markey

Yes Ed just did a batch and last I heard the parts were at the heat treater. Nice pieces but they run about 3 bills.
Don

02 March 2012, 05:25

Nick Hughes

Don,

Do you know if he made them with the gas flange this time? Last I talked to him he said he was going to.

02 March 2012, 05:29

Don Markey

I didn't talk to him, a friend of mine did and all he said was they are different, mostly cosmeticly. So I assume so, he's supposed to pick me up one, I'll see then. The old one I have from him has the gas flange on the left side. I'll dig it out and get a pic.
Don

02 March 2012, 06:28

Thebear_78

http://www.edlapourgunsmithing.com/

great looking stuff but at $300 a pop was out of my price range.

02 March 2012, 06:59

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Wisner makes them. I have one on my 550 Gibbs Enfield.

Rich

Not for about 10 years..

Ed LaPour...

and, frankly, this is the only bolt military rifle that the military safety is PERFECT for a scoped rifle, and likely one of the best safeties there is...

02 March 2012, 08:19

tin can

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and, frankly, this is the only bolt military rifle that the military safety is PERFECT for a scoped rifle, and likely one of the best safeties there is...

Question to all, also- is the bolt handle shown a re-worked stock P-14 handle? I like it; I like the ones on 720's, too.

02 March 2012, 09:23

Idaho Sharpshooter

if you say so, but I bought it from him, along with a proper mag box, and floor plate about three years ago.

Maybe he just does neat stuff for me...

Rich

02 March 2012, 22:28

Russ Gould

The original bolt handle has been truncated on these actions and a new one welded on. We retained the stub because that's where the original safety locks into the bolt handle. We will be using these as the basis for our "Bad Boy V" 5 round DG rifles/kits in various long magnum calibers including 458 lott and 470 Capstick, and we will offer the swing safety as an optional upgrade. It looks cleaner and more "custom", but as people have pointed it out, it's not cheap. The standard version (mil safety) will come with the Dayton cocking piece, spring and trigger to achieve "Cock on Open" and single stage trigger pull (the LaPour safety also achieves "Cock on Open" of course).

The Win 70 style safety is widely regarded as the "Best" and safest design. Locks the cocking piece not the sear, allows rounds to be safely cycled thru the action, allows low scope mounting etc etc. So we will accommodate that sentiment.

Nothing wrong with "cock on closing" (there are plenty of dead soldiers who would attest to that if they could, and I cut my CF teeth on a Lee Enfield) but the "market" prefers conventional "cock on open".

11 March 2012, 00:24

Don Markey

quote:
Originally posted by Don Markey:
I didn't talk to him, a friend of mine did and all he said was they are different, mostly cosmeticly. So I assume so, he's supposed to pick me up one, I'll see then. The old one I have from him has the gas flange on the left side. I'll dig it out and get a pic.
Don

Sorry it took so long i couldn't find it. I don't know if the new ones are the same but here is one of his original ones with the gas flange only on the left side.
Don

11 March 2012, 01:19

tiggertate

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
The original bolt handle has been truncated on these actions and a new one welded on. We retained the stub because that's where the original safety locks into the bolt handle. We will be using these as the basis for our "Bad Boy V" 5 round DG rifles/kits in various long magnum calibers including 458 lott and 470 Capstick, and we will offer the swing safety as an optional upgrade. It looks cleaner and more "custom", but as people have pointed it out, it's not cheap. The standard version (mil safety) will come with the Dayton cocking piece, spring and trigger to achieve "Cock on Open" and single stage trigger pull (the LaPour safety also achieves "Cock on Open" of course).

The Win 70 style safety is widely regarded as the "Best" and safest design. Locks the cocking piece not the sear, allows rounds to be safely cycled thru the action, allows low scope mounting etc etc. So we will accommodate that sentiment.

Nothing wrong with "cock on closing" (there are plenty of dead soldiers who would attest to that if they could, and I cut my CF teeth on a Lee Enfield) but the "market" prefers conventional "cock on open".

I think today most buyers expect an M-70 safety on custom guns and I like them a lot. But I wouldn't on an M-30 or Enfield for dangerous game. I'd rather invest the 300 bucks in good bottom metal and drop them out the bottom. The center position on a Model 70 can be too easy to knock all the way on or all the way off inadvertently; either being very very bad if unexpected. The standard safety still locks the firing pin (unless there's something about Dayton's parts that won't) and you are NOT going to displace the lever without intent. A purely acedemic exercise for me but that's how I've done my last two M-30 Express conversions.