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hi, Can Someone please provide some info on various duplicators, including the built-it-yourself kits, pics too would be appreciated  Regards, Zubin One shot..meat! Two shots...maybe...Three shots...heap shit! - Old Indian adage | ||
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The one still being marketed by Dakota Arms is very popular. You can go to their website. | |||
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Zubin If you are interested in making a duplicator that will not cost you an arm and leg, look at this simple little machine. I designed this machine about 25 yrs. ago and it has saved me many hours of hard work. It is only 2ft X 4ft and it will store up against a wall on its end. Move out into the shop when needed. If I were wanting to cut blanks for the general gunsmith trade I would look at the machines comerically made. I didn't cut blanks for others, but simply had my machine for our own shop use. I also didn't do stocks unless I made the complete stock.  | |||
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Pretty cool Les ! wish I could see it. | |||
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I've had a design in my head for a single tracer to be used on a milling machine.....but it's just too easy to send the blank to someone to be routed. I see the Dakota single blank machine is close to 10 grand........one has to route at least 100 stocks to break even with this.....maybe some do this much stock work but it's far from my hobbying. The last blank I had machined cost me $140 plus shipping. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Oh crap , How about a just a 60 thousand dollar concrete pump or a $3/4 million dollar boom pump , Now thats some serious ass kissin or Daddy owns ready mix! Any of you texas boys own a bunch of readymix plants? | |||
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Hello; I looked at the Dakota models and just about shit when I saw the prices for what they were offering..I'm still working out a design in my mind very close to the one pictured, mounting a router with a beading bit to follow the contours. National Geografic showed a duck decou carving machines along these lines in one of their issues. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Try here: http://www.wood-carver.com/gunstock.html Thinking about one of these for myself..........Grant | |||
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Does anyone have a picture of a Hoenig duplicator?  | |||
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If I am not mistaken, Saeed owns one. Have him take a photo of his. | |||
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The cost of making my type machine is about $600 for parts and about a week to make. I don't believe that the more expensive machines are justified in a small shop unless you have an unlimited amount of money to speed. I could have made a machine that would cut to within .003, but the problem is with the patterns. They will spring so easy. Working with wood is not like cutting a piece of metal to .001. | |||
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Looks like Les Brooks has a pretty good machine for a small or hobby shop. I think he still sells some good working drawings with instructions. Didn't Dale Goens design & build a pretty good machine a very long time ago? I think similar ones are available used if you're in the right place at the right time & carrying the right amount of$$$ gunmaker | |||
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hoeing should have a picture of his machine | |||
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try finding a website or an email address | |||
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ask someone in the guild or call info boise idaho | |||
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Gus, George Hoenig is not making them anymore and doubt that he would spend the time to send photos for someone to copy. It has happened before. Ieven doubt he would send any for you just to admire. You would have to meet him to understand. George is not in the Guild so that will not be a source for an address for him. BTW gus, there are a bunch of folks in the classified sections requesting photos and prices of your stock blanks, me included. Looking forward to seeing them. I have one source that has a Dakota they are going to sell. I am awaiting a price on it. | |||
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If you go to my web site and hit the shop tour icon, there is a picture of a Hoenig type machine. I works very nicely.. The web site is gunmaker.net | |||
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Jeffe's making money hand over fist in Tulasa (right?) or he'd reply to this. Keep this thread active until he gets back as I think he built one. Les, nicely done.... Jay Kolbe | |||
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Nice picture Mark. I don't know nuttin 'bout 'chinery, but it looks cool. Chic, There is definitely something in the air or water in Boise. I live up-wind and down-stream. I don't know if that is really good, or really bad. Hi Gus, I'm looking for a blank right now. Do you have some pictures? Thanks all, LD | |||
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Hoenig makes or made a wonderful double rifle with a sort of twist open action. I think there were some three barrels too. | |||
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Hoenig made a 4 barrel rifle. I got the opportunity to handle one at SCI one year. The price was pretty stiff but it was an incredible piece. He said he would not make another. I asked him if someone walked in with $200k and said wanted to order one, would you make it. He looked at me with no humor in his voice and said, "I am stubborn but I am not stupid." His cylindrical actions are truly magnificent. You turn the twist the barrels 90 degrees, pull them forward and then the gun opens for reloading. You reverse the steps to close of course. | |||
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Heh... not exactly... took my wife camping over her birthday weekend!! George's quote is perfect for that situation, and mine "I am stubborn, not stupid"... Anyway, I ordered a CD from Les and thought his machine was awesome. I made some changes to that design, and invited Les and a cast of 45 other folks to come on down and look at mine. Les paid, to me, an excellent compliment by sayign mine looks like what a machinist would build. http://www.weaponsmith.com/pantograph.html If anyone decides to build or get themselves a stock machine, be DARN certain that you have a stack of cheap blanks to practice and do initial setup with.. take your time, and light cuts jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Do you have plans to sell? -Don | |||
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I know that one of the features of the Hoenig (that doesn't seem to be shown in Mark Stratton's Photo) is the central support system that goes around the blank and the pattern stock. As others have noted, you have to be very careful how much vertical and lateral pressure you put on those pieces of wood when you are carving them in the machine, and Hoenig figured out a great system to take care of that issue. If you build a machine like Les Brooks machine you can make a set of support braces for the stock and blank. Such a setup is shown in Turpin's book on the David Miller company. This because the main challenge is to keep the blank and the pattern absolutely stationary when you are machining. Maybe Stratton has a photo of the support device that Hoenig developed. | |||
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Don Markey and others, I have the CD's and a Dvd of the machine in operation. The DVD is a requested add on for the CD instructions and drawings. This is not a complete blue print, but my drawings with lots of pictures. If you want to find out whether you are ready for Hollywood just get a good Digital video camera and record yourself working. This is how I made the DVD. I didn't know I looked so OLD. Another note, 20 years ago a known company offered me 2% royality and nothing for my time in making the design work. I told them that I would give it away for anyone to make before I would let then make the machine at their price. So that is why you see me showing it. PM me if anyone is interested | |||
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