I was thinking,(there's where the problem usually starts).

If you can take two Mausers and cut them in two
and re-weld them back together and make one short action and one long action (magnum length).

Would the longer one be suitable to chamber it in .416 Rigby?

It would be the same as a British/German Magnum Mauser which they chambered the .416 Rigby in wasn't it?

Allen

I was going to try it. I ran it by Jim Dubell who said the halves rarely match. Still seems like a good idea.

this has been done alot

IMO the Mauser boltface is too small for the Rigby cases.

Actually the Rigby will fit the standard Mauser bolt...been done hundreds of times...tousands maybe!...this can be a fun project, but again the Rigby will fit in the standard action so going thru all that trouble is probably not worthwhile...See "Big Bore Rifles" by Jack Lott

For the cost of having it done why not just purchase a new Mauser type action from Stu Satterlee that is made for that Caliber.

http://www.satterleearms.com/african_magnum.htm

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
...why not just purchase a new Mauser type action from Stu Satterlee that is made for that Caliber.

This is what I thought almost two years ago. However, my experience has been that while Satterlee will take your deposit, he doesn't actually deliver on the order.

Hey, how about a Satterlee action with Blackburn bottom metal!



Of course, I'm not an engineer, but but if you cut two actions in half and then weld them together don't you have two actions the same length as you started with?

Now, if you cut one of them twice, and weld that piece into the other action...oh, I get it.

Forrest B...Well said...been waiting for three actions..Nada...zip...nothing...promises...and...lotsa bullshit

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Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
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Now, if you cut one of them twice, and weld that piece into the other action...oh, I get it.

no, you can cut one 1/4" behind midpoint, and then the other before midpoint, and when you weld them together, you would have 1 long and 1 short action,

This is friggin' lunacy Y'all!!

Trying to make worse shit out of shit!!

Maybe a guy could just head to the store and buy one instead of trying to Joe-Bob one together.

Use a shorter cartridge?

Make one wouldn't take much more time than finding some crap and cutting welding grinding polishing heat treating and then you still have two pieces of crap welded together.

yes. it is. aint it fun

Thanks, Jeffe; I probably shouldn't drink before entering this site.

Used to be a common practice. Joe Reed demonstrates the process in a book I have at home (i'm out of town) quite well with pictures. I believe the action is a Model 70 but have seen several mausers over the years and just recently saw a very nice 250-300 on a short action built so.

It is in the Gun Digest Book of Gunsmithing. It is by Jack Mitchell and Joe Reed is doing the work. Copyright 1982.
Butch

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Originally posted by ForrestB:

quote:

Originally posted by 22WRF:
...why not just purchase a new Mauser type action from Stu Satterlee that is made for that Caliber.

This is what I thought almost two years ago. However, my experience has been that while Satterlee will take your deposit, he doesn't actually deliver on the order.

Sad to hear.
I have been waiting 14 months.
I know Dead Wood.
That boy needs to crap or get off the pot.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:

quote:

Originally posted by 22WRF:
...why not just purchase a new Mauser type action from Stu Satterlee that is made for that Caliber.

This is what I thought almost two years ago. However, my experience has been that while Satterlee will take your deposit, he doesn't actually deliver on the order.

Well, I have been to his place, and have met him, and he is an extremely nice guy. When I was there he was moving and that may have something to do with his not getting his orders out in time. I know that I purchased a couple of 3 position safeties from him and received them in reasonable time, and the work on them was first rate.

I think if you want something from Stu you need to call him up and tell him you need it and he will get it out to you. He is a nice man.

I've called him several times. I've emailed him several times. I've waited until I could wait no longer on a safety and had to use a Dakota on a BRNO 21H project I bought the safety for in the 1st place. The gun has been finished for months now. It would still be at the smith waiting for parts if I was waiting on that safety. I've started the last custom rifle I'm ever going to have built in my life and I still don't have the safety. It's looking like I'm going to have use a Dakota on this one too which is a huge dissapointment. I really like Stuart, He's a nice guy like you said, but 10 months is a long time to wait for a safety.

Terry

Terry

I haven't installed my safeties on anything yet. I wonder if one of them would work for you on that "last custom you are ever going to build". These are for the 98 action and I don't know if they would work on your action.

"Nice guys" don't lie to their customers for 18 months straight. "Nice guys" don't use their customers' deposits to build a new shop and buy new machinery and then not deliver on paid orders.

There's a long list of "nice guys" with plenty of gunsmithing skills that are out of business (even out of circulation) because they took money and parts from their customers and never delivered. Some have even posted on AR and other message boards to hawk their wares; they attracted an enthusiastic following until it all fell apart on them.

I have absolutely no knowledge of how Stu works, but I would imagine that with any small machine shop one would need to utilize each setup to its advantage by doing a run of one part first and a run of another part next, etc., instead of doing one complete action all the way through for each customer.

He may be a poor businessman by taking so long to complete a bunch of actions but he is still a nice guy.

Didn't it take Montana Actions 2-3 years to deliver on their actions and they were holding money too weren't they?

Hi Kevin, yes I desperately need one of the right side ones. Send me a PM of how you want to handle this and I will be in your debt.

I've got one on order and will work with you anyway you want to do it.

Terry

I hate to hear about this stuff when Stu's work looked so good.

Stu's work is great, but he owes it to his clients to keep them informed. I have seen this with other talented people. A lot of them eventually went down the tubes, changed their ways, or just got by. It doesn't take but a few minutes each day to either send an email or make a couple calls. Most of us are very patient if we are kept in the loop.
At this stage I would not be interested in having him do work for me.
Butch

ForrestB,

I agree. I was taken to task on another thread a while back when I asked how (some) gunsmiths can operate differently from other business ventures. I know there are lots of variables involved...say delivery of a barrel or bottom metal that will increase delivery time that the contracted smith has no control over. Gunsmithing is different from other professions. Okay, I'll live with that as I'm not a smith and give you some lee way.

PLEASE don't give me turnaround/completion times that are false. If something unexpected happens let me know! I am a reasonable person. But DON"T blow smoke! I don't have any money invested with Stu...his actions and metalwork seem above reproach. Hopefully all will get their work done in an elongated timeframe.

I just want an honest estimate on the time frame involved and to be kept in the loop. If you have a two or three year back log great for you! Just let me know. For the shoddy smiths out there that just disapear when things get tough shame on you. I have invoices to pay too!

John

Stuart has a business agent taking calls for him at a number other than his home and shop.

I try to bother Stuart only once every 2 months or so. 14 months coming up, I was planning to try again by the usual means on 19 Feb 2008: 14 months.

First estimate was for 6 months. Revised delivery date was for 14 months: 19 Feb 2008.

I hope I am not being lied to.

Hopefully I have forewarned Stuart with a call to his business agent, to announce to him that I would like my action soon or my money back. I was told I would get a call back later that day.
It did not happen. Agent cannot help if Stuart is doing nothing. I have a feeling Stuart just wants Agent to take orders and collect 50% deposits. We shall see if Stuart or Agent get back to me.

BTW, Stuart did tell me about 2 months ago that he was getting work done on the action and that HE (Stuart) would call me after SCI.

It is time for some action and intensification of contact attempts.

Ask another member M98, Daniel from Australia, how many years he has been waiting for his Satterlee work: Was that 4 years?

Stuart: Your business agent has my number if you have lost it.

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Originally posted by TC1:
Hi Kevin, yes I desperately need one of the right side ones. Send me a PM of how you want to handle this and I will be in your debt.

I've got one on order and will work with you anyway you want to do it.

Terry

Terry

PM sent. Glad to help you out.

Thanks Hero! I mean that!

Terry