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Lot of discussion about 100% weld penetration on this forum in the past. Here is a M 21 Brno..typical of what I've found..truth is, I've never removed an FN bolt handle that 100% penetration either..Not suggesting it shouldn't be a goal

Would enjoy feed back on the styles of butt plate doors

https://imgur.com/a/xqn6mZB

https://imgur.com/ZtbO2ms
 
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Hinge at the top
 
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Duane... I like the center buttplate with the hinge at the top.

Are you making them?
 
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Thanks..it is more traditional. Not an original idea...photos of such and arrangement in Speed's book.

However, I must admit that it provides more convenient access with hinge on the bottom.
 
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Duane,

I also prefer the plate with the hinge at the top.

Lee
 
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Duane... I like the center buttplate with the hinge at the top.

Are you making them?
Well, yes, but I've most likely sold the CNC machine, so can't speak for the new owner (yet)
 
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Hinge at bottom (access slot at top) for easiest opening & door staying open via gravity with gun upright.


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Actually..it's spring loaded closed and open
 
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Did FN weld on the all typical sweep back handle type that was on the commercials or was just the odd ball stuff like spoons welded on?
 
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I'd still prefer the door laying down with the rifle upright. 'Door up' would block the line of sight unless you flip the rifle over.
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Actually..it's spring loaded closed and open


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I'd still prefer the door laying down with the rifle upright. 'Door up' would block the line of sight unless you flip the rifle over.
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Actually..it's spring loaded closed and open


Would you shoot it with the door open, up or down?


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Hinge at the bottom. Much more natural to access storage area with rifle in upright position.
 
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hinge at the top
with- a larger checkering coverage to encompass the entire door and hinge
 
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hinge at the top
with- a larger checkering coverage to encompass the entire door and hinge


Second that. The door projecting outside the checkering looks "untidy" to my OCD eye (just my opinion.) The workmanship is first class, though. I also vote with Clan against lower hinge placement: If the spring goes in the field, gravity will not be your friend. I'd look like a right wally with duct tape holding my butt plate together.
 
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Hinge on top.

Looks like the spoon bolt handle was welded to a standard bolt. Not enough bevel to reach the root. Looks like weld floated over tie in, forward facing void.

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Hinge on top is correct.
Hinge on bottom :
Raising the comb to the shoulder in a hurry, part of your clothes may be hooked up by the opening latch and opens the door (to heaven).
Murphy´s law.
 
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I should have mentioned..The spring I use is a commercial plunger, coil spring enclosed unit. Chance of this breaking is pretty remote...but..you guys are thinking..thanks
 
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Hinge on top.

Looks like the spoon bolt handle was welded to a standard bolt. Not enough bevel to reach the root. Looks like weld floated over tie in, forward facing void.

Dave
Actually factory M-21 Brno..held up for about 70 yrs.
 
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I have to agree that I'd prefer the hinge at top. Even if the spring is unlikely to break, it will be on some people's minds. I like the partial checkering myself, looks good as is, not sure I want any additional sharp edges at the latch.




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Line of sight to the compartment.

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I'd still prefer the door laying down with the rifle upright. 'Door up' would block the line of sight unless you flip the rifle over.
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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Actually..it's spring loaded closed and open


Would you shoot it with the door open, up or down?


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Duane,

After several more peeks, the hinge at top seems more aesthetically pleasing. Functionality differences between the two options are not all that drastic.
Damn classy unit right down to the heavy duty plunger/spring.


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I like them both! And just to make sure that I got every customer who is interested to buy one I would offer them both if I was making them.

After all, they are going on "custom" rifles where the owner is supposed to have some choices about what he/she is getting.
 
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Hing at the top looks better but hinge at the bottom is more ergonomic in field conditions


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2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
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11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
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hinge at top please
 
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My opinion for what it's worth is that the hinge at the top "looks" better from an artistic standpoint, the hinge at the bottom is more user friendly and practical.
If I were having you build me one I would have bottom hinge, if building a rifle for someone who views it more as "art" than a hunting piece to be used then hinge at the top.
Purely my tastes.
 
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Opinions are what I want..thanks
 
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I guess I like the hinge on top, but prefer just a checkered steel butt plate that most of my guns have....I had a Holland 375 with a five pack of rounds in the butt and all my rounds turned green, never had a need for it..but hey lots of stuff on todays custom rifles that are non functional. I like some of them and others I do not..Id say pick and chose what you want some put both into production and feel the waters.


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WEll..Here's what I carry in the butt of my 270 (2nd barrel, 3rd scope)

Water proof matches, cotton balls soaked in vaseline
(can be great fire starters, chapped lips, lubricant, etc) Custom made peep sight (saved the day on a horseback hunting trip) A few gun patches, couple band aids and one of those cable type cleaning rods and a tube of "wound seal"
 
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Duane
That butt plate would be great on one of my ultra light synthetic rifles with a hollow stock.....

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WEll..Here's what I carry in the butt of my 270 (2nd barrel, 3rd scope)

Water proof matches, cotton balls soaked in vaseline
(can be great fire starters, chapped lips, lubricant, etc) Custom made peep sight (saved the day on a horseback hunting trip) A few gun patches, couple band aids and one of those cable type cleaning rods and a tube of "wound seal"


Duane, back in the '50's, when Elmer Keith did a review of the then new Winchester 88 in The American Rifleman, he removed the buttplate and noted that the nice recess under it would be a great place to store salt and pepper in case you had to lay up somewhere and eat straight meat. (June, 1955 P. 90)
 
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I think I'm out of room or salt and pepper..good idea though!
 
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Perfect Keith comment -probably need a small container of tabasco as well Smiler Maybe packets of soy sauce, ketchup, mustard and sweet and sour for variety. Nothing quite as bad as monotonous seasonings when stranded in the wilderness.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Lot of discussion about 100% weld penetration on this forum in the past. Here is a M 21 Brno..typical of what I've found..truth is, I've never removed an FN bolt handle that 100% penetration either..Not suggesting it shouldn't be a goal

Would enjoy feed back on the styles of butt plate doors

https://i.imgur.com/cCmEno1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZtbO2ms.jpg
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Lot of discussion about 100% weld penetration on this forum in the past. Here is a M 21 Brno..typical of what I've found..truth is, I've never removed an FN bolt handle that 100% penetration either..Not suggesting it shouldn't be a goal

Would enjoy feed back on the styles of butt plate doors



 
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Pardon for the "double post" We are fooling around with posting photos
 
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[QUOTE]truth is, I've never removed an FN bolt handle that 100% penetration either..


Did FN weld on all their commercial bolt handles?

As in, did they just keep making military bolts with straight handles, cut them off and put on the swept back, flat on the bottom version?
 
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My opinion for what it's worth is that the hinge at the top "looks" better from an artistic standpoint, the hinge at the bottom is more user friendly and practical.


I echo this comment.


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[QUOTE]truth is, I've never removed an FN bolt handle that 100% penetration either..


Did FN weld on all their commercial bolt handles?

As in, did they just keep making military bolts with straight handles, cut them off and put on the swept back, flat on the bottom version?


Duane,
I would like to know this also. I always assumed that FN handles were forged with the bolt...


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All bolt handles I'e cut off om an FN were welded. I do not believe FN used military bolts
 
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I like the top opening as I feel it is more natural to operate.

I do like the look of the top portion of the bottom hinge trap butt in the photo. If I was ordering one a thinner top (to grab and open) to the trap would the ticket for me. I know your supposed to be able to open with your thumb but I have bever had much luck doing that and I even have fingernails! Perhaps just straight at top and no curve?
 
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