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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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That will be interesting to watch. Imagine a Model 70 made in Japan. | |||
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Or a model 94 made in Japan | |||
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Will there be a mum on the receiver ring?   Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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For years they've been making 1885's, 1895's and a few other Winchester models in Japan and doing it well. Just hope they don't do glossy stocks. | |||
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I could not find anything there that says there will be new model 70s. Also wihle likly any that are made will be made in japan its not necisarily so. Browning has a plant in utah that makes the buckmark pistol, I am trying to be optimistic, but I really don't like the A-bolts at all. While I admit they shoot well enough. A model 70 action with a real steel trigger guard and floor plate assembly would be good, ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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Here's an interesting thought... sending jobs "over seas" is generally a cost cuting measure. The japanese per captia income, i believe, is higher than the US... should Browning put the production "out to bid" or RFQ (req for quote) to the Conn. Plant and to Japan, it would be a wake up all for the Union if it was cheaper to make model 70s in japan vs the US AND shipping jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don't have anything against Japan. We have 5 Brownings now all made in Japan - superb quality and reliability. I own my last North American made vehicle and outboard now. GM, Jeep, and Evinrude have broken me of that. The quality and reliability just does not compare to the Japanese models, for what ever reason. | |||
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Remember when Weatherby moved their mfg'ng for the Mark V to Japan. Most people complained until they shot the rifles. I have no qualms where a product is made as long as it is a quality product. Focus on the leading edge! | |||
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Browning was bought out by the same outfit that bought Winchester from Olin. I don't know what happened to that particular division but this does not mean that an American compamy will be building it as Browning no longer is. At one time Miroku (japan) was a major stockholder in Browning. | |||
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My understanding was that Giat owned FN and Browning, aand Winchester rifles through FN. Seems like a pretty funny deal to me. I've heard, but not seen confirmed, that because of requirements with unions/state government/etc. they would not be able to produce model 70's anywhere but the Conn. plant for two years. Browningguy Houston, TX We Band of 45-70ers | |||
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So what is new? FN (or more accurately, the holding company that owns FN) currently owns both Browning and Winchester, or at least the Winchester plant, and is the culprit that announced the closing of the New Haven plant. Olin owns the rights to the trade name "Winchester". It appears from the press release that nothing is happening. FN will continue to lease the rights to the name "Winchester" and will produce "Winchesters", but not in New Haven. Nothing has changed. | |||
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According to Wikipedia, GIAT is, "a French Government-owned corporation weapon manufacturer" A Winchester Model 70 made by the French government? Egad!  Here's a link to a very informative piece about the 1991 acquisition of Herstal by GIAT, and its relationship to Herstal and Browning. Snippet: "Giat with the purchase of FN Herstal now owns Browning, U.S.A. and the Winchester licensee, U.S. Repeating Arms Co.†For the conspiracy buffs: Do you suppose that closing USRA in New Haven was a "shot" called, not in Belgium, but in France? Good luck, and good shooting. Jim | |||
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Meplat, You are misinformed about Giat owning Browning, USRAC, etc... Giat put Browning, USRAC, FN, FNMI, Herstal, and several other small arms companied up for sale in the late 90's. That is when the whole show was purchased by the Belgian government. Part of that purchase was a re-structure where they moved USRAC's corporate offices to Morgan, UT and co-located with Browning. William Berger True courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. - John Wayne The courageous may not live forever, but the timid do not live at all. | |||
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Sorry, it's lower. About 15% if measured at the face values of the currencies, and about 26% if measured with currencies corrected for local purchasing power. | |||
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well I'll be darned and wikipedia confirms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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That's just what we're looking for, more "improvements" on Mr. Browning's work. Look how nicely they were able to fix what was wrong with the Highwall!!  | |||
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So-called improvements will be nothing more than manufacturing shortcuts! Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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My understanding is that Browning does not and has never owned any manufacturing facilities of their own. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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Wasn't it manufacturing shortcuts of the making of cubes the reason for the discovery of ball bearings? ( (just kidding)The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. - Marcus Aurelius - | |||
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A couple years ago I bought a Model 70 for use as a pratice rifle. Since finding out about the "French Connection", I refer to it as the "LeModel 70". | |||
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Yep. Just like on the M1885's, M65's, M71's, 1886's, and M95's Browning sold here recently..... There's really no flies on the BLR's, BAR's, and Jap O/U shotguns, either! We tsught the Japs quality control - now they're practicing it, and we aren't, anymore! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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The BAR isn't made in Japan. | |||
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Mums the word! | |||
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Jap quality  Toyota is the most recalled auto's in America! | |||
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I hope I correctly read in a healthy dose of sarcasm here. When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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I cannot and will not buy a Winchester with made in Japan stamped on it. Liberty is worth whatever the country is worth. It is by liberty that man has a country; it is by liberty he has rights." -- Henry Giles Rifleman. | |||
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I know for a fact I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, but after laying eyes on a firearms system I can generally figure out the whys and where-fors. BUT... I spent most of a day trying to get the fire control back into one of the Browning single shots. Quite the amazing contraption they got there! Like a eight-day clock. I know there is a quicker, better way. I just don't know what it is yet. | |||
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How about a "Winchester" made in China?  Doesn't seem too far fetched to me.Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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You know, I was thinking about this... is "made by the french, via belgium" actually any better? Sort of like japanese cars... I wouldn't buy one made in america, japan, mexico... heck, even if it was made in detroit by my ford/chrysler/gm working UAW cousins of mine. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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and though I dislike japanese cars, Toyota is now mostly made in america, by US autoworkers, and toyota recalls for a far lower $$ threshold than the US makers do.... for example, ford hasn't recalled EVERY f150 since 1980 for bad front spindles.. but if you see a truck with it's front end on the ground, and a tire missing, it's a ford, 98/100 times. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The "Made in Japen" stamp sure didn't keep folks from buying Weatherby Howa's and Winchester 101s and Winchester 23s and Winchester 92s and Browning Citoris and SKB shotguns....well you get my drift. As a matter of fact the "Made in Japan" stamp has become a symbol of quality. | |||
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Yes you do! It's a REAL Winchester 1885. Works evertime, and anyone can take it apart and put it back together. BTW, there is a guy in CA that makes a kit/jig/instructions for reassembling these. I don't know the details but post a note at www.bpcr.net and someone will point you the right direction. Brent When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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