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17 December 2006, 02:27
jørgen
This really hit a sore spot
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
The chamber-end washer was soft soldered on as was the spacer washer. The headspace was correct with cartridge protrusion not measured but assumed to be about .105".


As far as i read your reply, the following is facts:
1: No excessive caseheadprotrution
2: Because of softsoldering, there was not applyed enough heat to affect the tensilestrength of the barrelsteel.

Then a conclution could be.
No negative safetyissue
He didnt winn any award for the artistic performance.

So instead of hanging the man, perhaps we should give him a conditional sentence
17 December 2006, 03:21
cummins cowboy
maybe the smith should have used a bigger washer and made it into a recoil lug?? This is the funniest thing I have ever heard , are you sure this smith didn't get his training from jeffeoso?? lol


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18 December 2006, 14:31
500grains
quote:
Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
This is the funniest thing I have ever heard , are you sure this smith didn't get his training from jeffeoso?? lol



18 December 2006, 16:29
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
maybe the smith should have used a bigger washer and made it into a recoil lug?? This is the funniest thing I have ever heard , are you sure this smith didn't get his training from jeffeoso?? lol


LOL!!! in fact, when i make intregal lugged barrels, the barrel makers call that full diameter "island" a washer!!!

but jesus, the guy who put that rifle together is begging to be sued.

Dan ... for the record, based off you ACTUAL gunsmithing skills, the washer on the end of the barrel, to headspace it, is BAD....

barrel -- that's the long skiny part
gunsmithing -- working on guns to make them BETTER
headspace... well, go to wikipedia.org, I am certain they can explain it in a way you can argue with.


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the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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18 December 2006, 17:00
Bent Fossdal
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:


but jesus, the guy who put that rifle together is begging to be sued.



Jeffe, considered jørgens post;
quote:


As far as i read your reply, the following is facts:
1: No excessive caseheadprotrution
2: Because of softsoldering, there was not applyed enough heat to affect the tensilestrength of the barrelsteel.

Then a conclution could be.
No negative safetyissue
He didnt winn any award for the artistic performance.



Why would you want to sue him? What is this so BAD? Yes, it is a cheap way to do it, and it probably(but not necessary)looks ugly, but as long as there is no safety issue, I do not get why people are jumping up and down on this one?


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

18 December 2006, 17:10
jeffeosso
Bent,
this is a sad comentary on american "legalism"

in america, you can sue over anything.. and ANYTHING "non-standard" leaves you open to loose. "Facts" are what the jury says, "function", like justice, doesn't enter into the "legal" system.

So, let's play this out.. billyjoe gets his new 22x300hh installed, just like this... he then proceeds to overload the round to the point that the barrel blows off...

either
1: the washer stays in place
2: the washer blows off

if 1, then the "expert witness" takes one look at the barrel, the guys' lawyer shows 20 winchester take offs to a jury, and then shows this to the jury, in all it's glory.... collect $1,000,000.00 ....

if 2, then the same local expert takes the receiver (what's left of it) and the barrel, and then compares to 20 other receivers of the same maker. a 5 mins lecutre to the jury on how a rifle should be setup, and how a depth gage works. 15 mins with a powerpoint presentation, and THEN showing the just how much too short the shank is,...blahblahblah, collect $1,000,000.00....

that the loader blew the gun up would NOT be material, in that the rifle "Was non-standard, and not headspaced "properly"" ...

doesn't matter than it might, or might not, work perfectly.


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
18 December 2006, 18:23
Toomany Tools
and if the washer ended up in the shooter's face, collect $10,000,000!


John Farner

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18 December 2006, 18:47
Bent Fossdal
It is with scenarios like that, I really don't miss America at all! yankees


Bent Fossdal
Reiso
5685 Uggdal
Norway

18 December 2006, 22:02
Toomany Tools
Well, it is scenarios like this that make me miss America so much...at least the America that used to be.


John Farner

If you haven't, please join the NRA!