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I see references from time to time of relatively long cartridge / bullet combinations being chambered in "standard" length actions. At what point, or length, does case or overall cartridge length require a longer action? For instance, what is the longest case or cartridge that can reasonably be used in a Mauser K98 action? _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | ||
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30.06 regular M2 ball length, a longer bullet needs cutting/milling the receiver's feed ramp forward and/or deeper.I do not recommand it. | |||
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Edmond, but at what case length is spent cartridge too long for a standard action because bolt throw is too short or ejection port too short, regardless of magazine box length or mods to the feed ramp? Is it 67mm or 70mm or 75mm or some other figure? _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Wink, there's always exceptions, but here's what I work along, as I like to balance effort to results under 2.8 inches - short actions 2.8-3.4 standard length greater than 3.4 long action/rework.. of course you ahve to take diameter of case (not bullet) into account under .473 - you WILL have feeding issues to resolve .473-.550 - easy enough to make work in a standard width action over.550 - you WILL have feeding issues to resolve, and should go with a wider action (enfield, CZ, etc) 223/7.62x39/22-250 range rounds should be in a short action, but CAN be in a properly designed standard ation 2.8-3.4 -- simple enough to put into a standard action this covers 250 savage to 458 winmag over 3.4 either use a spelized action, one designed for them, or expect alot of work large diameter and long length use a specalized action and save yourself tons of work jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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jeffeoso, would it be correct then for me to assume that is more a function of cartridge overall length than of case length? For instance, if the c.o.a.l remains under 3.400", then it doesn't really matter how long the empty case is? _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Wink, there's probably cases where it would, but i am much more concerned about ejejting loaded rounds jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Thanks Jeffe, I know more now than when I woke up this morning, which is a good thing. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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I have a .358X.404 (case length a bit over 2.8"), built on a standard Mod. 98 action. It is a single shot. Loading is no problem and ejecting a spent case is no problem.You can not eject a loaded cases as Jeffe points out. You can, however, easily remove a loaded case in a second and a half. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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