I would like a 416 Talor. I have a model 70 in 338 win mag. Would it make any sense to bore it out to 416 or would it be better to buy a new barrel?

Unless it is a unique profile I'd go with a new custom barrel over a bored out factory.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Unless it is a unique profile I'd go with a new custom barrel over a bored out factory.

+1

unless its a thick barrel, i wouldnt ..
also, please consider the 416 ruger, as its all factory stuff these days .. and its larger case capacity than a taylor ...

Just built up a 416 Taylor myself last year and I love it!!! It's accurate and deadly - I used an old P-14 action and got a PacNor special order SS bbl. with a muzzle brake. Bought the economical Lee dies to make my own brass from 458 WM which I already have.

I have to say I don't know much about the Ruger 416 --but I've shot over chronograph 350 grain Hawk bullets at 2600'/sec. with no abnormal pressure signs in my Taylor. I went with a 28" bbl. Thought that if I found the 28" bbl to long for my liking I could shorten it later. So far I think I will leave it at 28" - carried it around elk and moose hunting in the BC mountains last fall. Did get a nice 4x4 whitetail with it later in the season. Was it overkill - no doubt it was but nobody can say it wasn't a quick humane kill, and really not that much different with amt of meat damage on the chest shot through the lungs.

Now I'm considering building myself a 416 Weatherby on another P-14 action - that I will of course reload for also. I like amateur gun-smithing as a hobby and am an avid hunter. Will probably shoot 300-350 grain bullets for a very deadly flat shooting elk/ moose rifle. Should add that unless I win the lottery I won't get to Africa for a hunt.

Sorry for the long post but have to say I love big bores and the 416 Taylor is a great cartridge, potent and easy to load for ---- and seems inherently accurate. Lots of bullets out there for reloading too.

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also, please consider the 416 ruger, as its all factory stuff these days .. and its larger case capacity than a taylor ...

I agree with Jeff having had a Taylor. If I was going to build a normal action 416 it would be a Ruger. Cheaperto own and operate. If you simply want a wildcat or a Taylor go for it. No flies on either.

....in 416 Taylor -there are some commercial loaded shells out there and there is factory head-stamped brass for reloading. And for that matter factory chambered rifles in CZ I believe are still available. Not knocking the Ruger, to me it seems to be another middle of the road 416 cartridge.


Bob.

If your Model 70 is a pre-'64 .338, I most certainly would recommend you NOT rebore the barrel. I'd recommend just rebarreling to the Taylor round. Then, if you ever have to sell the gun, you can screw the original Winchester .338 barrel back on and get a great deal more money for the rig.

Personally, I'd rather have the Taylor round than the Ruger. There's a s--
-t-load of belted magnum brass out there that you can easily alter to Taylor dimensions. That mag brass is both more available and cheaper than Ruger brass...especially if you ever want to buy once-fired brass.

Personally, I think the Taylor is a great little round, and have thought so ever since about 1960.

Good luck with your project.

AC

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I have wanted a 416 Taylor for many years too. The 416 Ruger didn't change that for me.

The problem is that it's hard to justify the cost of both a 458WM and a 416 Taylor, since they both do about the same thing for my uses.

KB

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The problem is that it's hard to justify the cost of both a 458WM and a 416 Taylor

Crap we need to justify?????

I had two ruger 338s built into 416 taylors a great round years ago but if I wanted a 416 now I would take the money used for buying a barrel and labor and just go out and buy a new ruger in 416ruger.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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The problem is that it's hard to justify the cost of both a 458WM and a 416 Taylor

Crap we need to justify?????

Maybe "justify" was the wrong word. Right now I'm thinking I need a good 22, so it's a choice of spend the budget for a 22, and maybe have a little left over to finish a project, or start something new with a 416T.

At some point, buying something at that kind of cost, which will not get used much doesn't make sense.

KB

I have had both and I still have the Taylor. I like the Taylor. It's big enough for anything in the world, it's cheaper to reload than the Ruger(cost of brass) and less recoil. I find it to be very accurate. I think it may be the best all round African round..............Tom

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it's cheaper to reload than the Ruger(cost of brass) and less recoil

Man you guys must sure use a lot more brass than I do. But looking at the price of new 416 Ruger to proper headstamped 416Taylor the Ruger is cheaper. Using new 458 mag brass(looking at Graff's prices) and necking them down is still about the same. I guess if you are using once fired the Taylor would be cheaper.

I think a guy(or girl) should build and shoot what he wants. To me letting a few $$ on the limited amount of brass you would ever need shouldn't be the deciding point. If you should ever resale a factroy will normally sell better than a wildcat.

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Originally posted by mustbhuntn:
I would like a 416 Talor. I have a model 70 in 338 win mag. Would it make any sense to bore it out to 416 or would it be better to buy a new barrel?

I have had very good luck with reboring, but there are several factors to consider:

1. You need .100 wall thickness at the muzzle (.125" would probably be better), so the outside diameter of your .338 barrel should be at least .538".

2. You need to take into consideration any screw holes (front/rear sight) in the barrel in calculating the wall thickness.

3. If your Model 70 is the standard length action (it probably is in .338 caliber) you would have to alter the action and magazine to accept the longer Remington cartridge.

4. If you have been shooting the .338, you probably have a collection of .338 brass, which can be converted to Taylor simply by neck sizing.

If you contact Clearwater Reboring (reboring@deltagunshop.com), they can answer any other questions you might have.

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If your Model 70 is the standard length action (it probably is in .338 caliber) you would have to alter the action and magazine to accept the longer Remington cartridge.

You lost me on that one???? You talking about a 416Rem Mag?

416 Taylor casing is the same length as 338 win mag. 416 Rem mag is a little longer.

Bob.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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If your Model 70 is the standard length action (it probably is in .338 caliber) you would have to alter the action and magazine to accept the longer Remington cartridge.

You lost me on that one???? You talking about a 416Rem Mag?

Not really. Remove the mag block spacer, spring, and follower. The end. The rem is longer. 2.85 ish v 2.5. But the m70 will Holguin it fine

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416 Taylor casing is the same length as 338 win mag. 416 Rem mag is a little longer.

I know the 416Rem is longer I just missed when it came into the discussion.

Remove spacer install longer follower grind down or replace the ejector and bolt stop and go shoot. 5 minute fix if you can find the part a touch longer if you must alter yours.