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... Now you have enclosed the front of the bolt by the Cring on the left side, and the partial rim on the boltface on the right side. ...

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Originally posted by TC1:
OK, so it's a Schulz and Larsen that is supposed to be so superior to the M98 and only takes minutes to make. Well, the time per rifle and per stock claims certainly make sense now.

Terry

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Originally posted by Yale:
Dear Jorgen:

Thank you for your response.

I reviewed my notes, and I was incorrect as to the original Mauser 98 proof loads. Jon Speed said that many of the Mauser 98 proof loads were in the 4200-4600 atmosphere range, which I think converts to the high 70,000 to low 80,000 psi range.

I still find it intriguing that your friend found the Mauser steel assays to resemble mild steel, but a steel analysis that I have seen from Maryland, USA shows a core sample of a 1913 DWM bolt and receiver as similar to modern high strength low alloy.
I ame not quite sure of what makes, he analysed, as he was also taking actions from the targetunion in Denmark to anslyse. Those actions were of all diferent makes and mfg years. As i also wrote earlier, ther is a wide wariety of steelquality used over the time.
When i discuss m98, i would not be specific about what make or mfg years, as 90% of the debaters dont know the diferent types and mfg. period. also as stated earlier, some are excelent, and some are pos.

Also, the Germans made artillery pieces, naval guns, etc. that did not blow up, although I do not know the pressures of artillery rounds. Neverthless, I should think that their steels for small arms manufacture would be up to the same standard as field pieces and naval guns. This would be a logical conclusion, considering Mauser's size and reputation.

I am unclear what you mean when you said the actions "went off at" and then included a pressure number. Did you mean that the brass case failed at 90,000 or 125,000 or 145,000 psi?
by the term "went of" i means that the actio was so badly damaget, that it was unable to fiere again, mainly because of casehead rupture, and lugsetback. this often combined with brekage of the ring at front of the bolt supporting the casehead

My research indicates that the brass case fails at around 85,000-90,000 psi. The Remington 700 and Mark V have plunger ejectors. Those ejectors would collapse at those pressures allowing the brass to expand into the ejector hole drilled in the bolt face. In my mind the case head would then not be supported sufficiently at that point, causing rupture and a gas leak.
The plunger part is an issue, and we could se some plastic deformation into the plungerhole, but didnt expierince leak, before the presures described. This might be related to brassquality, or to some extend plungerdiameter, combined with the quality of the initial caseheadsupport, i dont know

Lastly, all my research concludes that the belted magnum case will fail at the same pressure as a standard head case. You are right that the small primer cases with thicker webs can take more pressure. Moreover, Lazzeronni cases will take higher pressures, since they are more heavily constructed.
I think you should be more specific, when evaluating casehead strength. I dont think there is any doubth that a belted magnumcasehead, stands a higher presure, assuming that the head is supportet by the chamber on the front part of the belt. Leaving only from the extractorgroove, and backwards. Assuming the brassquality to be identical, then the web around the primerpocket would be clearly thicker, leading to a stronger support, and ability to handle higher presure. A funny thing is that most belted magnums are cip and saami aproved to higher presure, than most std cases. if not stronger, then why?

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

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Originally posted by TC1:
OK, so it's a Schulz and Larsen that is supposed to be so superior to the M98 and only takes minutes to make. Well, the time per rifle and per stock claims certainly make sense now.

Terry

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
Jørgen ,

Keep pimping Schulz and Larsen.

Welcome to the new gun messiah, to continue the religious allusion that you have been using here to tout your products. I can see how your brilliant marketing - sorry - unadulterated pimping is selling your guns and getting people hooked to the idea of buying them.



It might help you, BTW, to stop fantasizing from your wheelchair. I guess you get bored sitting there all day.

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you would se that according to preventing casehead leak, and standing high presure, almost all modern PF rifles is supirior to the CRF m98, but when shits happens, normaly a m98 handles the situation quite ok.

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Originally posted by TC1:

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you would se that according to preventing casehead leak, and standing high presure, almost all modern PF rifles is supirior to the CRF m98, but when shits happens, normaly a m98 handles the situation quite ok.

Guess what whistle dick? That is the exact point I made in my first post before you felt the need to correct me and started all this crap with your bullshit terms like "your religion" and "true believer". I didn't start this crap, you did.

As to your rifle, yes I stand by my statement. It's a production line piece, nothing special. You claim you can mass produce square bridge mausers. After looking at your rifle I can see why you don't. I wouldn't buy one. Also your claim about building 20000 guns seems to have cut by at least 3/4 when pressed for details. Your just an Internet alligator, all mouth.


Terry

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Originally posted by jørgen:

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Originally posted by TC1:

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you would se that according to preventing casehead leak, and standing high presure, almost all modern PF rifles is supirior to the CRF m98, but when shits happens, normaly a m98 handles the situation quite ok.

Guess what whistle dick? That is the exact point I made in my first post before you felt the need to correct me and started all this crap with your bullshit terms like "your religion" and "true believer". I didn't start this crap, you did.

As to your rifle, yes I stand by my statement. It's a production line piece, nothing special. You claim you can mass produce square bridge mausers. After looking at your rifle I can see why you don't. I wouldn't buy one. Also your claim about building 20000 guns seems to have cut by at least 3/4 when pressed for details. Your just an Internet alligator, all mouth.


Terry

O great shaman
With your unlimited wisdom and capability to se the unseen, and to look into the future.
Please get sombody capable of reading, to read out loud for you

Maybe I will, but only after you get someone to teach you how to spell.,

who started talking about BS and lying. More specific get somebody to look at the 2 3 and soon posts from you in this tread.

Yes it was you who started this this crap and it was you who lyed about building 20000 rifles. Your reading comprehension sucks, you probably can't count either.

I ame also wery impressed of your ability to get info of a 3/4 reduction in productionnumbers. But again you kows all O Shaman.

By your your own admission dipshit. 1st you claim YOU built 20000 Mausers but when pressed on the point you admit these only came out of your shop and YOU didn't build all of them. I seriously doubt the 20000 number I have no doubt you didn't build that many. It's just a lie, nothing but a lie.

I ame also impressed of your ability to se what kind of parts we are capable of producing.

One picture, not even a close up tells the story.



Just to give you some small pices of info from the outside world, rumors tells that in many countryes, the horses normaly pulling the wagons, has ben replased by a new invention, called a combustionengine. And this new build together device is in some countryes called a car
In many places in production, the file and handoperated drill, has also been replaced, it sarted bu steempower, and realy accelerated, by the introduction of elektricity

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Hi TC1
Watch out, high blodpresure can be dangerous to your health

Your way of debating reminds me of when my son whent to kindergarden, when somebody couldnt keep up with real arguments, they started yelling and calling names.

According the lying thing, it is one of the good things about the internet, every little person is rather free to acuse other of lying, without the tinyest schred of evidence. And basicaly they can get away with it, mainly because of distances and beeing annonym.
I ame sorry that i hawe ofended you by telling things that doesn't fitt into your world, i ame also sorry that you has to sink to the most primitive way of responding, because of lack of substantial arguments

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Schulz and Larsen

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Originally posted by carcano91:
TC1: When you are in a hole, stop digging. Good advice.

Carcano

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Originally posted by Warrior:

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Schulz and Larsen

Jørgen,

Please give us some pics and technical detail.
Is the 7x61 mm still in existance?

Thanks
Warrior

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Your way of debating reminds me of when my son whent to kindergarden, when somebody couldnt keep up with real arguments, they started yelling and calling names.

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Originally posted by Timan:
You blew up an action. B.F.D. Anybody can to do that. Now go build one.
Timan

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Your way of debating reminds me of when my son whent to kindergarden, when somebody couldnt keep up with real arguments, they started yelling and calling names.

NO kindergartener engages in real arguments.

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Originally posted by jørgen:

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Your way of debating reminds me of when my son whent to kindergarden, when somebody couldnt keep up with real arguments, they started yelling and calling names.

NO kindergartener engages in real arguments.

I dont know why that makes me think about a dog balacing a ball on its nose

Btw it could be advicable to take a teespoonfull of doublebased powder, as the nitroglycerinecontens can act as a blodpresure reducing factor

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Originally posted by TC1:
No Howard, he's talking about my avatar. I'm in his head good.

Terry

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Originally posted by Howard:
As one of those people said

"M-98s are DESIGNED with an obvious gap in the case head support. That,
and the big oval holes in the bolt body that are pointed downward are
DESIGNED to funnel hot gasses and melted brass into the STOUT magazine
box and FLIMSY floor plate. The rifle failed in a way impossible for a
well made and heat-treated M-98 to fail: it moved the bolt. There's no
way to maintain enough pressure to break the bolt if the case head lets
go and blows out the floorplate first. That's a BS deal, somehow"

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Originally posted by TC1:
He's just a bitter old man pissed off about something. Who know's, who cares.

Terry

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Ignored post by jørgen posted 06 October 2008 00:14

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Originally posted by .366torque:
and get back to fine rifles, please?

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Originally posted by Howard:
As one of those people said

"M-98s are DESIGNED with an obvious gap in the case head support. That,
and the big oval holes in the bolt body that are pointed downward are
DESIGNED to funnel hot gasses and melted brass into the STOUT magazine
box and FLIMSY floor plate. The rifle failed in a way impossible for a
well made and heat-treated M-98 to fail: it moved the bolt. There's no
way to maintain enough pressure to break the bolt if the case head lets
go and blows out the floorplate first. That's a BS deal, somehow"

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Originally posted by carcano91:
This thread is actually quite worthy, apart from the name-calling.

1. The related firearms incident with a sporterized Turkish M.938 Mauser indeed at first does immediately rise the bullshit meter almost beyond the upper end of the scala. The alleged damages just do not appear in any way credible at first sight.

However, if one examines the case close and forgets Beartooth's ornaments around it, the probable real causes begin to appear. I shall write about this in a bit more extent in a follow-up, I hope.

2. The parallel exchange between Jörgen and others is also instructive. Few people here and few solitary gunsmiths apparently have an idea about the reality of modern machinery shops and automatized CAD-aided production. I have seen, handled and examined their products. While a modern Schultz & Larsen rifle cannot and will not compete with any high-end hand-made custom job, the production quality is definitely much higher than any (any!) US-made normal factory rifle, and almost any European factory rifle.

As to efficiency of production, I know where part of Schultz & Larsen's old barrel-making machinery ended up in Germany. As good as the old equipment still is, you simply cannot work competitively with thóse anymore under today's labour costs and time constraints.

Carcano

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Originally posted by jørgen:
A litle bit of correction on your info on the barrelmaking mashines.
When Schultz & Larsen was in dificulties early 90tieth, and we took over, 4 pratt and Whitney sinebar mashines where sold to Borderbarrels, and 1 dubbelspindeled german make was sold to Arthur Smith.

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Let me apologize for some of my countrymen.
In this country a large percentage have been
told that the sun goes around a flat earth that
is only 5000 years old.
Thank You!

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Originally posted by hawkins:
Jorgen: Do you have more details available on
the "blowups". Actual, measured pressures are
hard to find.
Let me apologize for some of my countrymen.
In this country a large percentage have been
told that the sun goes around a flat earth that
is only 5000 years old.
Thank You!

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Originally posted by hawkins:
In this country a large percentage have been
told that the sun goes around a flat earth that is only 5000 years old.
Thank You!

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Originally posted by hawkins:
Jorgen: Do you have more details available on
the "blowups". Actual, measured pressures are
hard to find.
Let me apologize for some of my countrymen.
In this country a large percentage have been
told that the sun goes around a flat earth that
is only 5000 years old.
Thank You!