I have an offer to trade out these 2 guns towards a birddog. After speaking with the guy and asking a lot of questions here is all the information I have gathered and that he knows.
Both are .270WSM
Both are built on VZ24 actions by a gunsmith that used to live in central florida
Unknown make on barrel’s. After removing stocks he was unable to find any stamp or marking indicating brand.
Camo one that looks like it was used to snipe gypsies in a break-away Russian republic has a muzzle brake and bipod on painted synthetic stock that has no markings indicating what brand it is.
The one has custom wood that has good fit and finish, but is heavy. He estimated that it weighed between 11-12lbs
He has only shot each rifle 2-3 times to ensure function and does not know how well they group.
The glass is $20 junk
I asked if he could see any marking on the trigger asy of the blued gun to establish who it was made by.. remains unknown.

If I were to do this trade my goal would be to be able to sell the 2 guns for the amount of $$ I have given him in trade. With the above being the only available information what value would you assign to the 2 guns. Thank you very much for your help.

hope the dog is old and feeble

$600-700 for the pair.

i'm no expert about it but i know some ....i hate to say it, but.....

yuk!!!......a bad dog won't be as costly and aggrivating as those actions.
even though they are VZ'S (if no question about that)and supposedly sporterized(??), they both need lots of work to be decent stuff....about the same value as military condition as far as i can see...=/- $125.
glass as you said, bbls, with no brand proof $30-40, wood and plastic... worthless.
may i'm a little harsh, but i just hate seeing thoas tactical bolt handles and other silly stuff on a good mauser action.

Tell him to sell is own guns and pay you with cash!

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Originally posted by GSP7:
Tell him to sell is own guns and pay you with cash!

+1

His estimate on value was $800 for the camo and $1500-$2000 for the wood one!! I as well was thinking that to sell them I would be lucky to come up with $1000 for the pair, but after hearing remarks from people in the know on mausers it seems that I was being generous at that!!

I can honestly say that I would be happy getting $500 for the pair. It will take a lot of money to get these guns to the point they will hold some value.

ddj

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Tell him to sell is own guns and pay you with cash

+1 x 1000!

Due to complete lack of info on these rifles, I wouldn't pay more then $150 per. About the price of a VZ24 without any "custom" work.

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Originally posted by GSP7:
Tell him to sell is own guns and pay you with cash!

+1 Again

$800 for one and $1500 to $2000 for the other. Umm how do I say this politely

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FRIGGIN MIND????
If he thinks they are worth that much then he needs to sell them him self
He probably has that much invested into each rifle but they are no where near that kind of value.
I was going to say with out the paint maybe $500 each but that seems to much
I'd say $750 for the pair Considering the "sniper rifle" is not in a "sniper" caliber It would be hard to sell a chunk like that.

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Tell him to sell is own guns and pay you with cash


+1 x 1000

I have to agree with the idea of $500-750 for the pair leaning more to the $500. As to his estimate of $1500-2000 for the wood one. I'm afraid he must be smoking some of those funny home made Cigarettes.

First thing just about anyone would do is take the wood off and burn it replacing it just about ANYTHING would be an improvement.

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First thing just about anyone would do is take the wood off and burn it replacing it just about ANYTHING would be an improvement.

Boy you said it that stock may have cost $100
Just an ugly shape and zero figure

I wonder how drunk on "Tequila" you would have to be for those to look great would have to eat the worm

200 each, 500 total IF i was feeling really nice .. but i would have to deduct 200 for reworking the stocks and taking off the paint(s) .. fugly ... and fugly's ugly sister...

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Originally posted by AB Joint Outfitters:
His estimate on value was $800 for the camo and $1500-$2000 for the wood one!! I as well was thinking that to sell them I would be lucky to come up with $1000 for the pair, but after hearing remarks from people in the know on mausers it seems that I was being generous at that!!

I don't believe that you could do better than about $250 for either one. Those are two of the most "wrong" rifles I have ever seen.

I'm not trying to be glib, but would you trust your dog to anyone who would own those two rifles? Much less someone so out of touch with reality that he peggs their value at $2300-$2800 for the pair!

The owner's name wouldn't happen to be Russell, would it?

FUGLY x 2

The only bird dog I would trade for these POSs would be a DEAD dog!

Keep your dog.

Keith

That pair would likely cause you grief even if you got them for nothing.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
That pair would likely cause you grief even if you got them for nothing.

This was the first thought I had as well.

I'm not saying this would be the case, but if the rails were worked on in order to get the WSM cartridges to feed properly (which still needs to be checked too apparently, as "2 or 3 times" might not be the full magazine) the actions might not be good for much else other than single shots.

Sorry, but I think you are going to have to pay someone to take them away in a dumpster to the tip site.
Jez how can anyone create something so bloody ugly, let alone x 2. They should be burned at the stake along with those "things".

Cash only for the dog!!

That trade offer is an insult to the dog!

Hell,I have an Irish Setter I would give him for both of those rifles! A "friend" of mine ruined it and now he is very good about going to the downed bird and sniffing it and coming straight back to you. I still have the dog....the "friend" is gone.

I'd even trade him just for the ugly one. You decide which that is.

About the only thing I see of any value whatsoever on the pair is what appears to be a Timney trigger.
I've never owned a dog that I would trade for that junk and that includes a Brittany that would hump a stump!

The cheekpiece on the wood stock looks like it would rip your lips off when you fire it. Ask him to sell the rifles and pay you with cash.

So we are all in agreement here that this is a good trade for a 18mo English setter male who is bred very well and that naturally pointed, backed on sight, and retrieved to hand naturally and quartered in the field in front of you between 30 and 70 yards. Who is now whoa broke and has been worked by a pro for 4 months on birds…


Rip your lips off!!! Now that's funny

CHIT - and here i thought you were talking about just any old mutt, not an english setter. AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! may the fleas of a thousand camels invade your pubic regions for even thinking of trading off an english setter for anything less than a pair of H&H royals

"Arsenal Refinished" VZ-24's are selling for $210 plus shipping if you have an FFL or a C&R license. Cash for the dog.

250's not bad and at least they have a bolt handle and wood that you can look at!

if you showed those gun to your dog , he'd probably start growling at you.