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17 October 2019, 19:09
Clemson
Why Would Anyone.......
Why do you suppose anyone would drill and tap a hole into the chamber of a Remington 1100 shotgun barrel? This one came into the shop yesterday, and I advised the customer not to use the barrel. He agreed and gave the barrel to me. I plan to cross section it to use at school.

Bill Jacobs

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17 October 2019, 19:33
J Wisner
I can do one better than that. This was in the late 1980's

We had a new customer come into the gunshop with a Ruger Mini 14 and the B Square no drill scope mount on it.
They do have a hole in the front so you could drill and tap the front reciever bridge to hold down the front of the base.

Well this customer had drilled that hole by hand with his trusty hand drill, and wanted me to tap the hole.

I took one look at it and grabbed the bore light, yes he had drilled all the way thru the reciever, and also clear thru into the chamber.

I handed it back to him and said now that you have ruined the barrel, you can ship the gun back to Ruger so they can put a new barrel on it.

He was not very happy.

Those kind of persons are out there, you just have to be careful.

J Wisner
17 October 2019, 20:22
TomP
I had that mount drilled/tapped on a stainless Mini-14, the gunsmith told me he wore out two carbide taps doing it and wouldn't do another one.
The joke was on me, of course, it still shot three-inch groups at 100 yards...


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17 October 2019, 22:03
crbutler
My first thought would be putting a pressure transducer on it for a legitimate reason, but that is in the wrong place. Is it clean through the barrel?
17 October 2019, 22:21
dpcd
Simply an amateur mistake, or gross error. Happens all the time on any mechanical device. Mechanical skills are rapidly vanishing from our society; not too long ago men had to fix things; no longer. We throw them away; not worth fixing and some guns are in that category too.
18 October 2019, 00:33
jeffeosso
when i used to coon finger rifles at gunshows, i carried a plastic "pick" to feel around in the chamber for front scope screw "drill through" .. it wasn't like 2% or anything, but shockingly common for at least one of the scope bases to be drilled through on mausers, springfields, and enfields ...

along with a flashlight and a white lens cloth


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18 October 2019, 02:29
Gary MacDonald
That looks as old as the original blue ! And it goes all the way through, interesting , a factory pressure tap , just kidding .
18 October 2019, 05:01
vzerone
I blew the pic up and to me it looks like a stamping, not an actual screw. Have you looked at the inside of the barrel? Have you tried turning it? I think you should as you may have screw the gun out of a perfectly good barrel!!!
18 October 2019, 05:12
Craftsman
quote:
I blew the pic up and to me it looks like a stamping, not an actual screw. Have you looked at the inside of the barrel? Have you tried turning it? I think you should as you may have screw the gun out of a perfectly good barrel!!!
 
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Why don't you simply take a look with a bore scope ?


Craftsman
18 October 2019, 05:28
youngoutdoors
I don't see the hole. I'm with v-one. Believe its just a stamping.

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18 October 2019, 05:53
cdsx
quote:
Originally posted by vzerone:
I blew the pic up and to me it looks like a stamping, not an actual screw. Have you looked at the inside of the barrel? Have you tried turning it? I think you should as you may have screw the gun out of a perfectly good barrel!!!


I almost scoffed at this until I looked very closely, as vzerone suggested. Now I'm not so sure. I spent many years looking at pieces of metal through a microscope, and the slot in that "screw" actually looks to me like it's V-shaped in profile, rather than square. That really could be indicative of a stamping. I certainly wouldn't want to try and back that out with a common screwdriver. Any chance of a definitive check, perhaps via borescope as per Craftsman, or is it gone from your possession now?
18 October 2019, 06:50
Clemson
You guys may be right. Has anyone ever seen this stamping? I can't see it on the inside of the barrel, but it is certainly possible that a screw was honed off flush with the chamber wall.

Bill Jacobs


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18 October 2019, 06:52
Kevin Gullette
Interesting.......

The more I stare at the "screw" head, I can imagine the head being contoured with the barrel.....and the "stamp" outline being lighter at the top and bottom, as compared to the middle.

I'll stop staring now.....and plan to use the new $49.95 borescope Santa is supposed to bring me.

Kevin
18 October 2019, 07:10
dpcd
OMG!!!
I should have looked at the picture; that is NOT a screw; it is a final acceptance stamp, along with the REP.
This is from a gunsmith's shop???
18 October 2019, 08:29
vzerone
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
OMG!!!
I should have looked at the picture; that is NOT a screw; it is a final acceptance stamp, along with the REP.
This is from a gunsmith's shop???


Yes and I'm the one that spotted it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18 October 2019, 08:30
vzerone
You should call that gentleman back and give him his barrel back and make all well.
18 October 2019, 08:43
cdsx
"Alors, Hastings, we use the little grey cells, yes?"
18 October 2019, 16:35
Gary MacDonald
Just a look at its age and placement would leade you to realize it was factory, never mind the fact it's a common stamp .
I didn't want to ruffle any feathers in my earlier post , just wanted to raise concern .
18 October 2019, 18:18
Labman
Anyone know when Remington used that stamp? I have 3 870's. All were purchased new during the 1960-1980's period. None have that "screw head" stamp.


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18 October 2019, 18:43
BaxterB
I always thought the anchor(?), immediately to the right of REP was the final stamp.
18 October 2019, 18:51
cgbach
I just looked at an old Remington 1100 bbl. and it has what looks like a 'G'. rotated about 45 deg. ccw in that spot.
C.G.B.
18 October 2019, 19:23
dpcd
Sorry VZ, didn't read your post either, but you get the credit for spotting it.
Remington had many proof marks over the years; I think each inspector got to design his own.
Yes, that guy should get his barrel back, with an apology for the diagnosis.
19 October 2019, 02:06
Gary MacDonald
quote:
Originally posted by vzerone:
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
OMG!!!
I should have looked at the picture; that is NOT a screw; it is a final acceptance stamp, along with the REP.
This is from a gunsmith's shop???


Yes and I'm the one that spotted

it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes right AFTER I did .
19 October 2019, 23:06
vzerone
quote:
Originally posted by Gary MacDonald:
quote:
Originally posted by vzerone:
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
OMG!!!
I should have looked at the picture; that is NOT a screw; it is a final acceptance stamp, along with the REP.
This is from a gunsmith's shop???


Yes and I'm the one that spotted

it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes right AFTER I did .


I don't see where you mentioned that it wasn't a screw. You're post right ahead of mine you said something about a pressure tap, then just kidding. That told the OP NOTHING!! I beliee dpcd agrees with me too.
21 October 2019, 21:14
z1r
quote:
Originally posted by vzerone:
I beliee dpcd agrees with me too.


I beliee, I beliee! Big Grin




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21 October 2019, 22:51
Clemson
Thanks to all for the help! The customer is now a happy camper Big Grin


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21 October 2019, 23:12
vzerone
quote:
Originally posted by z1r:
quote:
Originally posted by vzerone:
I beliee dpcd agrees with me too.


I beliee, I beliee! Big Grin


Oooo la la! I beliee too z1r