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What is needed to make this work right? I have a 458 Lott on the above action coming in the mail and just wondering what to check out to see if its done right. It was the 458 Win to start. Thanks for any help. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | ||
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If you shorten the brass about 3/8" it should function just fine. Might not be enough room for the Lott in a standard 77. | |||
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I dunno...maybe you could try cycling a couple boxes of ammo throught it and see if it functions properly  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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it should be pretty darn easy ... replace the box, fix the feeding opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The Ruger has a very short feed ramp and does not lead easily to modification. Try PM'ing Ed Hubel, if anyone knows from expreience it would be him. | |||
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Big Earl I have done 416, 458, 470 and 500 AccRel's on them. Perhaps i might have just a touch of experience with rugers I don't believe Ed makes anything small enough to fit in a m77 pushfeed opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well the gun is still in the mail. I know this as my wife still loves me as of tonight. I expect this to change when she gets another gun box in the mail. Haha. I will check it over well and run some dummies through it. If it works (or not) I will try to get some pics. This is not a pretty gun, I know this for sure. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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Dont think Ed makes anything small enough to fit into any shoulder fired arm, but still does and makes work. Do you lengthen the mag well front or rear? I looked at this a couple times and never seen much room for opening it up. | |||
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plenty of room in the back .. heck, just look at the mag fabrication.. there's .200 just in making a new box without the overlap in the back .. the bolt goes back far enough .... the problem with the tang safey is that you have trouble making the boltface larger, so get a .532 based one to start with .. it should be a new box, and a bit of grinding on the back of the action/mag area ... i doubt there's even action work to make it eject a loaded round I haven't seen Ed do a .532 based case, period. Perhaps on a mkII he's done stuff ... you can go about .600 on them opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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PoppaW...always nice to see a fellow Canuck on this forum, even if he seems to be the one who beat me to the gun I went to Epps to look at! I'm assuming it's from there that the gun is coming...there can't be that many .458 Lott 77's in the mail. Good luck with your new baby! John | |||
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jwm, Yes thats the one. I am a sucker for projects. I hope it works as they said it did. My only question to them was if it fed properly and they replied that it did. If it works it should be a nice light beater big bore. Or with a little stock finishing and a new front sight it will be a real nice gun. I'll see if I can load up the pics they sent me. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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     Well, figured that out. It has been cut and crowned at 20". Win mag ground off and Lott poorly put on. It will be fun. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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My Hornady 458 Lott solids measure 3.595" oal. I'd say a 3.65" ID box is going to be necessary. But, hey, Kimber does their 375H&H on the same length action. Rich | |||
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Well the gun came to the door today. I guess it was a bit of an April fools. After checking it out the box hasn't been altered to allow a Lott cartridge to fit. So I made a dummy round and it would not chamber. I took an empty new brass and put it in the chamber and it was hard to close. I pulled the brass out and the end was rolled in a bit. So the gun was stamped Lott and never re chambered. Now I wonder about the guy who said it feeds good. I have sent an email to the seller and will wait to see what they figure. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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That should be an interesting reply. Rich DRSS | |||
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Well technically the gunsmith or whomever stamped the barrel committed a crime. And I believe a serious one as that for incorrectly marking the barrel. Either way I would demand a full refund or a serous discount. As question my confidence in their stating that it feed properly??? Feed what??? feed when??? They never checked the rifle and that is very bad as this thing could have much more serious problems with it and they nor you would ever know. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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I've dealt with Epps for years, bought and sold many guns there. They are fantastic when it comes to customer service. I got a nice older Sako .375 from them, in great shape, shot exceptionally well. When I took it apart I found the stock cracked across the web in front of the trigger guard...not visible on assembled rifle. I took it back and was immediately given a full refund, not questions asked, they didn't even take the few seconds required to dismantle the gun to see for themselves. I am certain that you will be taken care of to your satisfaction. Too bad about the gun being such a disappointment. John | |||
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send it back opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I would fine a good gunsmith in your area and have him give you a quote on having it re-chambered and ask them to boot that amount before you send it back. Just my 2 cents. | |||
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There's another good option. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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I cleaned up the chamber real good then tried another brass. Just a hair of curl at the top. I got a reply back from the store. They said they did the smithing and put hornady factory through it. He even sent a pic of a 458 Lott cartridge, like I don't know what that looks like. He said 3.6" max and it will feed. I measured the mag box at 3.3" or a little better. A 458 Win is a tight fit but works. So I sent my pics of the mag box and a Lott cart beside it, taller than ever, and we will see what happens. I like the idea of my smith fixing it and send them the bill. I think they would want it back for a refund though. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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Now hearing about that reply from Epps is disturbing. I hope that I'm not going to be forced to change my high opinion of them. I've got my fingers crossed for you. John | |||
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He gave me the full refund option. If I can not make it work, which it can't. Just not sure if I like it enough to bother messing with it. I would just like an honest 'we didn't do it right' and sorry it doesn't feed. And go from there. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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send it back, ask the guy in question to put 3 loaded 458 lotts in the mag and work the bolt .... send it back opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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They got ahold of the previous owner. He brought in his ammo with the gun when he traded it off. His buddy loaded 458Lott brass at Winmag length to fit in the gun. Its all coming together now. They apologised for the confusion and the gun is going back right away. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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Sounds like they got duped also, sounds like they are willing to make it right, I visited their store back in around 1984 was interesting, did not run into Elwood at the time, I beleive he was still alive then. Was not cheap flying from BC to see them, but did some shopping and sightseeing. Hope it works out alright. "The problem with the gene pool is there is no lifeguard" | |||
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I've been watching this thread with interest, as Epps is one of my favourite gunshops. How did things go for you? Well, I hope.... | |||
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