I bought this one in Vegas (Basspro) during the Shotshow. I'm not thrilled with the stock so I raised the butt w/photoshop. What do you think.

Has anyone ever duplicated a stock to chop up and have duplicated?? Did you use Poplar?

Rich,
In the shotgun game, stocks with too much drop can be bent (heat and oil) by good smiths. I don't know abut rifles, but check with Mike Orlen, who is experienced with bending shotgun stocks.

To answer your question, yes I and others here have duplicated stocks only to chop them as you say and rearrange them for better fit. I ask the duplicator to use whatever stable inexpensive wood he has. Some of the duplicators I've used have been able to make changes like that on the fly rather than my having to provide them an exact pattern.

Sure can be done.. and I kind of like both those "stocks"... I assume you want to raise it for scope use?

You raise it behind the grip?

you could do a couple things..

the way to get it EXACTLY how you want it is to have a pattern "rough" turned off a cheap piece of walnut, or even glue some basswood together to make a blank.

cut it with a coping saw and file/fit to exactly where you want the butt.. turned how much pitch you want, use some 3/8 all thread, at least 2, 3 is better, as dowel pins and put it together...


me, on this pattern, I would "hog out" the inletting, then, and bed with bondo, and then use bondo to fill any gaps/lets...

think about any other changes you want, and make them on your pattern...

then send off to mike kakolus or weing or one of the far better than me duplicators with a nice piece of walnut.

jeffe

Thank guys.. I did raise the butt behind the grip.

Jeffe

You mean get a rough copy made....cope off the butt behind the grip and reattach with all-thread with the pitch I want?

Rich

Rich,
exactly, though drop you want, and the pitch is the angle of the buttpad... make the all thread "dowels" go in along the stock, and make them as long as possible.. bed them in with some good epoxy... marinetex, steel bed, acragel, something good and hard. follow through with bondo as filler, and you should have a workable pattern

jeffe

jeffe, when you slather up the over inletted stock with bondo, do you need to put a release on it like for bedding? i would assume so, as the stuff sticks to auto panels, huh? jeez, maybe i should just not post this at all....

but for the sake of argument, what would you use as a release agent? paste wax? commercial release?

Rich, are you intending to save the stock? If not, then just bondo the comb and then glass bed the action into the stock for a better fit, make any adjustments you want to the old stock and use it as a pattern. I like the barrel on that gun. Is it a full length integral rib I see?

724,
good question.. I use johnson's floorwax.. just about any floor was will work, as long as it's a paste.. heck, spray wax MIGHT work, but I don't know.

jeffe

wd40 works well as a release agent for bondo.,

Be kind of a shame to destroy that stock, hard to tell from the pics butt it doesn't look like a bad piece of wood.

Have you considered using one of the leather lace on cheek pieces that raise the comb? These can be made to look quite nice and work well if your goal is to align the eye for scope use. It looks like the existing drop might be set up well for irons as is.

Aside from the line checkering it is a nice stock. I don't really want to cut it up that's why I'd like a moded pattern off of it.

It does have a full length rib and some day it will go to NECG for proper rings.

Thanks
Rich

more pics.
http://home.pipeline.com/~shootzg/misc/krupp/Krupp-case-1.jpg
http://home.pipeline.com/~shootzg/misc/krupp/Krupp-irons.jpg
http://home.pipeline.com/~shootzg/misc/krupp/krupp-action-1.jpg
http://home.pipeline.com/~shootzg/misc/krupp/krupp-left-all-2.jpg
http://home.pipeline.com/~shootzg/misc/krupp/krupp-right-all-2.jpg

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Originally posted by richj:
I bought this one in Vegas (Basspro) during the Shotshow. I'm not thrilled with the stock so I raised the butt w/photoshop. What do you think.

Has anyone ever duplicated a stock to chop up and have duplicated?? Did you use Poplar?

Glue up some poplar wood, or any other fairly
suiatable wood into a proper sized blank. I use
popular stair treds @ 5/4 thick, three wide.

Claude Gatewood will duplicate your stock for
less than $100.00 and then you can take this cheap stock and modify it any way you want and still have the original.

Do it a second time from the new pattern in good wood, and voila, a proper stock! Claude
will even inlet your metal into the new stock.

Yes, I know. This is lengthy, but when the pattern is properly "bedded" with epoxy, the
result is a very good fitting finished stock
done much more cheaply than most other methods and you get EXACTLY what you want!


I've got one ready I've done this way, and will
be off to see Claude this Friday to discuss the
stock duplication and fitting, plus some other work!

Regards,

Don

P.S. This does work as I've done several this way!