Spirited debate

05 March 2009, 05:34

Duane Wiebe

Spirited debate

A couple weeks ago, there were a lot of bent feelers and raised eyebrows on the "debate" involving myself, Ted Blackburn, Steve Yamagishi and 22 WRF.

Happy ending (for Steve anyway) Ted has paid the principal on the note he owed to Steve

I felt it was only fair that all members be so advised

05 March 2009, 07:45

JBrown

Not to dredge things up but the "debate" has been on my mind because it was bad for both you and Ted.

I hope that people looked real close at what was said. There were a couple of statements by one side that simply did not hold water.

I always believe that if one side makes clearly false statements to sway opinion it is a sign that they are the guilty party.

Jason

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05 March 2009, 08:35

dempsey

This horse was dead, why bring back the stench?

05 March 2009, 18:51

Jim Kobe

It may be dead but justification of a wrong has probably got a lot to do with it. I think we know where the lie was.

05 March 2009, 19:15

Duane Wiebe

quote:
Originally posted by dempsey:
This horse was dead, why bring back the stench?

Dempsey: It's like this. Having been accused publicly of not paying a debt, I felt there should be just as much effort expended to publicy note that the debt has been satisfied.

Were I the accused, I'd sure want that courtesy. Tell me where I'm wrong

05 March 2009, 19:26

dogcat

Duane,
I am likely asleep at the switch, but I thought you were/are a very skilled custom gun maker. In particular, I have admired your take down rifles and hope to afford one some day.

Is your new business "in addition" to the custom metal business or is this now your sole business?

I am not trying to get into your personal affairs, just curious. If you prefer, send a PM.

Thanks and good luck on the bottom metal business.

05 March 2009, 20:54

dempsey

Duane, only you three really know what is what in the varied accusations from both sides in that thread, everybody else can only go off perceptions. It's a damn shame if business is lost or reputations tarnished by an incorrect perception of either side by potential customers. As I stated in the old thread I don't think either party was well served by airing what happened publicly and don't think this thread is any different. I hope both ventures do well to the point of having inventory on hand at all times, cat fighting publicly doesn't help that along IMO, that's all.

05 March 2009, 22:09

Doc224/375

As I know nothing about any of it , nor do I want to as It's none of my business !.

I will only say hopefully ALL party's involved experienced learned shook hands and had mutual respect !.

Learning Forgiving and continuing to live is far better than alternatives .

05 March 2009, 23:45

Duane Wiebe

dogcat: No problem. Sound Metal Products is a seperate entity from my regular gunmaking. It was formed to fill a need...I needed bottom metal to stay in business, not to put anyone out of business.

Filling my own needs also seems to be filling the needs of others...I make no apology for that.

Andy (Sunny Hills) and I are not only on friendly terms, we refer business to each other...wish it were so with _____!

05 March 2009, 23:46

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by dempsey:
Duane, only you three really know what is what in the varied accusations from both sides in that thread, everybody else can only go off perceptions. It's a damn shame if business is lost or reputations tarnished by an incorrect perception of either side by potential customers. As I stated in the old thread I don't think either party was well served by airing what happened publicly and don't think this thread is any different. I hope both ventures do well to the point of having inventory on hand at all times, cat fighting publicly doesn't help that along IMO, that's all.

Well, my take is 100% the opposite, if Steve had not posted that he was due the money, he'd still be sitting around with no money and no friend where he used to have both. He did the right thing in bringing it up IMO. He got paid and hopefully that's the end of it.

If someone owes me long past due money and is advertising a product for sale, then you can bet your bottom dollar that I won't silently sit there and wish them well.

I'm glad Mr. Wiebe posted this and it is behind all concerned now.

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06 March 2009, 00:08

SDH

I think the whole thing stunk, along with everybody involved. It was a character assination from the get go, and went down hill from there.
Best,
Steve

06 March 2009, 00:28

jeffeosso

do we really need to let this roil and boil?

06 March 2009, 01:06

Dewey

Would someone please post a link to this thread, my curiosity is aroused.

06 March 2009, 01:30

Bent Fossdal

Never saw the debate refered to by threadstarter, but it is always sad when personal matters goes public.

Please let us all respect each other enough not to press our laundry on everybody. The PM's work great if anyone has to accuse or abuse another member.

06 March 2009, 03:20

dempsey

Gato, I understand your position, but I also understand the position of somebody who owes a debt who was then stabbed in the back and losing interest in paying that debt. Of course we don't know exactly who did what do we, we only know who cast the first stone. Hence my position that both sides lost in this one.

edit to add, I'm not saying anybody stabbed anybody in the back, I don't know. But it appears Mr. Blackburn felt this way and I speculated. I'm out of this one, shoulda never jumped back in.

08 March 2009, 00:01

Bent Fossdal

I see I was a bit short in my above posting. It was not meant as crtitisism against anyone, just a general wish.

This forum is amazing. Amazingly ritch on authoritys, some of the best craftsmasters in the world, and experts on just about anything.

But there is a lot of lying, badmouthing,etc.etc - uncivilzed behavior, witch reduces the joy as a user considerably.

I just wish more could be gentlemen like Duane here.

08 March 2009, 00:42

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by SDH:
I think the whole thing stunk, along with everybody involved. It was a character assination from the get go, and went down hill from there.
Best,
Steve

Well, if you were really that insulted by it, you could have volunteered to pay the "character" who was assinated's debt. But since you didn't, and it was brought to light, the "character" elected to pay it. What does that mean?