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Is that the mob that makes the MRC PH action? Cheers, Chris DRSS | |||
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There were rumors that Taurus was in the process of acquiring the Freedom Group after Cerberus came under pressure to sell them from teachers' unions after Newtown. Hopefully, this means that the entire operation will be moved out of New York as well . . . | |||
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I had no idea Montana Rifleman was that big or produced that many parts. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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Now maybe we can all look forward to getting a Dakota with an MRC action  Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Freedom Group will soon own control everything. Monopolies are bad news and use to be broken up...not anymore. Higher prices and manipulation of supply. What the hell do I know. REMINGTON BUSHMASTER REMINGTON MILITARY REMINGTON LE MARLIN FIREARMS H&R 1871 DAKOTA ARMS TAPCO DPMS / Panther Arms PARKER GUNMAKERS BARNES BULLETS ADVANCED ARMAMENT PARA USA REMINGTON PMPD MOUNTAIN KHAKIS "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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 Now that's funny!Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Remington builds Bushmasters in Ilion, NY, and there was some talk about wether they will leave the state after Cuomo's Safe Act banned them. However, I read recently that Remington got an 80 million dollar contract from the government to build "assault" rifles....when Homeland Security buys them they are called personal defense weapons. They also announced a 20 million dollar expansion plan for their Ilion facility. Maybe they need a barrel builder for this contract? Life Member- NRA & SCI | |||
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and that POS george sorass will move everrything to Brazil then that other POS obummer will ban imports Done deal!   Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Not good, should be more active companies and more lobbyists...this makes it too easy to target one company with legislation. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I think the Soros ownership rumor has been de-bunked. I believe Steve Feinberg owns the Freedom Group. Mac | |||
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Montana has been primarily occupied by making DPMS Barrels for the past 2 years, so it's a natural they would be acquired. I think Wilson had the contract before that. | |||
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I talked directly with DPMS 2 or 3 years ago about their barrels and who made them. This was before Rem bought them. The issue was that they were selling some pretty darn good target barrels for ridiculously low prices at Midway. Everyone assumed that they were Wilson barrels as they had similar specs and accuracy. The man at DPMS was adamant that they had never used Wilson barrels and that they made their barrels entirely in-house. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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I pray that you are right. Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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the claim of monopoly is laughable -- midway own far more shooting sports companies, as does federal ... think remington, or any of its holdings, makes a significant number of firearms? one word colt - opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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When comparing to the USGOV,you are right. The USGOV right now seems to have a buyers monopoly on ammunition and components. Instead of the DHS making 25 calls.....do the make 5 now? I just don't like this new paradigm of anything goes capitalism,too much power in to few hands. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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I wonder if Teddy R would bust these monopolies were he around today...? | |||
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Another good company bites the dust! Is Freedom Group a front for the Anti-gun crowd? Maybe they will monopolize the market until they control and then price us out of purchases, or shut them down altogether. | |||
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Obviously it is not..or it wouldn't be supporting the production of guns! The reality is, the company is more gun-friendly than ever. Not less. In fact, the California board of prisons recently began divesting themselves of their gun related holdings. That in turn forced Cerebus (of which the board is a large owner) to start selling their interest in freedom. Moral of the story, neither "George Soros" nor the "Anti-gun" world are taking over Freedom in a scheme to destroy it. Very simply, smart money got into the guns industry because there was a boat load of money to be made by consolidating poorly run firearms manufacturers. JC | |||
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There's way too much competition in the firearms industry for any one group to control it. That's in large part because of technology. When it took craftmen with specific gunsmithing skills to produce factory guns, he who had the craftsmen had the market. Today guns are just another machine-made tool and the skills required are no different than most other manufacturing processes. So if a group like Freedom falls in quality or value for price, someone else will easily step in and gain market share. Just flip through the adds in two or three gun rags. The numbers of companies are staggering. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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They used to have a good Bargain Bin on their website. I purchased several blanks from the bin. About 4 years ago they started phasing out of the 1 off barrels and getting into large production runs. I just happened to be in Kalispell at the time. Any unturned barrel CM or SS blank that they had in stock that was prebored only and waiting for a future customer to specify the twist was sold for $50(as I recall) you pick the twist to clear them out. I loaded up good.  | |||
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Well, if they follow their past history, they'll close down operations and move everything to the South. Look what happened to Marlin, H&R, and a few others. Dave | |||
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First, Remington did buy the barrel shop not the action and rifle manufacturing company. The barrel shop employs about 170 people and at this point has no plans for moving as far as I know. But you will not be seeing any Dakota using an MRC action, as far as I know. Montana Firearms Group is still owned completely by us. The barrel company has some amazing people working there, so don't think the quality will fall away either. Montana Firearms Group still buys our barrel blanks from them and we just built a brand new facility right next door to them. Ownership is the only thing that has changed at this point. No worries, fellas, and have a Blessed Easter all of you! | |||
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huh? yeah, lets look at what freedom group has done .. like, say, dakota arms... they certainly didn't more them south, did they? nope, still in SD DPMS -- still in minnesota bushmaster -- still churning out millions of high quality products barnes bullets -- zero impact, other then government intervention HR? still in NY for manf (admin moved with marlin, but not manf) look what happened to marlin ? moved out of gun and corporate unfriendly states, to places where they could pay the same wages (and then some) and the workers have DOUBLE the standard of living for same wages, greatly improved quality, and open shop states... just where would a MONTANA based company, with montana's strong gun ownership laws, move to? colorado? where the laws forced out magpul? of all the companies freedom group has purchased, marlin has moved .. 1, out of what, 9 major buys? marlin moved, hr, remington,para, dakota, dpms, barnes... parker, tapco ... Luddites bug me opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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http://bulletin.accurateshoote...plant-200-jobs-lost/ "Gardner, Massachusetts Mayor Mark Hawke criticized the plant closure, saying that local officials were blind-sided by the move. He stated that Remington never contacted state or local officials prior to announcing its decision to close the Gardner factory." http://bulletin.accurateshoote...lay-off-265-workers/ A Marlin spokesman indicated that the plant will be closed by June, 2011, and all 265 employees will be terminated via phased lay-offs starting in May, 2010. The Marlin plant closure, announced late Thursday (March 24th), came as a surprise to both Marlin employees and North Haven community leaders. Marlin plant workers reported being “blindsided”. One worker told WTNH Channel 8 that: “We never saw this coming… we were told to attend a mandatory meeting at 3:30… And then boom [that was it].” Remington has not yet issued an official statement about the factory closure, but one insider speculated that the plant was closed to “avoid union wage pressure driving retail cost upward and making the product less competitive in the modern firearms market.” Bushmaster Plant in Maine to Close First, the Freedom Group, which owns Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin and other companies, announced that it will close Bushmaster’s Windham, ME facility, “effective March 31, 2011″. According to an official press release: “The Company will relocate manufacturing of all Bushmaster products currently produced at Windham to other, existing Freedom Group Facilities. The move will have no impact on customers or the existing supply base.” John B. Blystone, Chairman of the Freedom Group’s Board of Directors, commented: “We are continuing to adjust our operations in order to remain competitive…. Given increasing costs and pricing pressures affecting the entire firearms industry, this action is clearly necessary[.]” Bushmaster production went to NY. Good luck with that. If feeling protective of jobs in my home state is being a luddite, count me in. Massachusetts has plenty of firearms manufacturers: Yankee Hill Machinery, Kahr. "open shop states" ie, anti-union states. Dave | |||
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Glad to hear it, you guys have a great company. Dave | |||
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The Marlin employees got back at Remington by modifying some of the manufacturing jigs - which got by the new Remington employees QC. That's why you can't buy a Marlin 1894 with the front sight set correctly - and Remington STILL hasn't fixed the problem. | |||
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With employees like that, it would make it easier to make the decision to close the factory and leave! I'm somewhat neutral on the issue of unions, but attitudes like exhibited by this action make a strong argument for open shops. dave | |||
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Well, there goes another. Remington has ruined Marlin and I wouldnt touch any of the junk coming out of that facility. ......civilize 'em with a Krag | |||
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