Check out the forums at 24hourcampfire

That forum has improved as of late.

At this moment 24 HR has three times as many active posters online as AR!

I am not participating at AR these days.

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I am not participating at AR these days.

We're all very glad you found a new home. You and your Kimber should be very happy there.

Terry

AR = There are currently 99 member(s) and 85 guest(s) on the forums.

24 HR = 107 registered, 16 invisible) and 329 anonymous users online.

Could you take a few people with you? Do they accept those with multiple personalitys as we currently have here of late?

There is no reason someone cannot participate in multiple forums, such as:


http://1911forum.com/
www.24hourcampfire.com
www.accuratereloading.com
www.ar15.com
www.blaserpro.com
http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php
http://forum.m1911.org/
www.greybeardoutdoors.com
www.hkpro.com
www.longrangehunting.com
www.nitroexpress.com
http://www.parkergun.org/forums/
http://sigforum.com/
www.thefirearmsforums.com

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AR = There are currently 99 member(s) and 85 guest(s) on the forums.

24 HR = 107 registered, 16 invisible) and 329 anonymous users online

SOOOOO?

I happen to use several forums. I see familiar faces on several.

You sure have a funny way of not participating here.

how about some other of my favorites?

http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/default.asp

http://www.riverjetmagazine.com/fusetalk/forum/index.cfm?forumid=11

http://www.ifish.net/board/index.php http://www.multistrada.net/

http://www.multistrada.net/

I'm unrecruitable sorry.

edit: do attend Beartooth Forum--hardcast bullet purchase - pretty mild site.

I visit any forums myself, and think the more we have to chose from the better it is for our sport, and gun ownership in general.

The quality of members means a lot too.

Childish behaviour is not good for anyone.

1) accuratre reloading; gunsmithing Mausers, handloading, and hunting
2) Crater outdoors, funniest guy on the internet
3) Sniper's hide; optics
4) Rec.guns; Bart Bobbit
5) Sporterizing.com
6) High road; nice people
7) 6mmBR; 6mmbR
8) rec.crafts.metalworking; machining, science, manufacturing, electronics, math
9) gunboards.com; mauser collecting
10) rimfire central: rimfire
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38) 24 hour campfire; Savage collecting

I have to say, there is a BIG bunch of idiots over there (24 hr). I will probably get banned over there now. Just try saying something adverse about Pac-Nor barrels if you want to start a fire there.

Jim, I don't want to start anything here, but what do you have against Pacnor? Have you had a bad experience with them?

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I have to say, there is a BIG bunch of idiots over there (24 hr). I will probably get banned over there now. Just try saying something adverse about Pac-Nor barrels if you want to start a fire there

Jim:
Sounds like fun. Maybe I'll try it sometime. I agree though, it's kind of a "dry" site.
Bear in Fairbanks

some products there have a cult-like following that you will be blasted if you bad mouth, but i like that board anyway

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Originally posted by Doc:
Jim, I don't want to start anything here, but what do you have against Pacnor? Have you had a bad experience with them?

I had two problems, one was a client's barrel and the other was mine. Mine had a loose spot in the bore about 5" from the muzzle. He would not stand behind either of them.

If you love Remingtons and McMillan "Swirlys" you'll love 24 hr.

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Just try saying something adverse about Pac-Nor barrels if you want to start a fire there.

Been there, done that. Pac Nor is a religion on that site. I think the site is ok, it leans heavy on Remington and McMillan. Nothing wrong with those products just gets boring looking at pictures and reading about multi-colored stocks and stainless barrels.

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:

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Originally posted by Doc:
Jim, I don't want to start anything here, but what do you have against Pacnor? Have you had a bad experience with them?

I had two problems, one was a client's barrel and the other was mine. Mine had a loose spot in the bore about 5" from the muzzle. He would not stand behind either of them.

Well, that is very good to know. I have one PacNor bbl and I love it. You'd think with all the competition out there, each and every barrel maker would stand behind their product. From what I've heard, Douglas will send you another barrel no questions asked.

I didn't buy mine direct from PacNor. I used John Noveske to build my rifle and he used to work for them. He gets barrels at a good deal. I think at that time, I would have had to pay PacNor about 240 for my barrel. John only charged me 200. AND HE stood behind the whole rifle.

When I spoke with Kenny Jarret a few years ago, he told me that he was having a barrel problem too and he mostly used 2 companies about half coming from each.

He would not say which companies but a little birdie said it was Shilen and Hart. He told me he was throwing away 10% of his barrels from one of them because they wouldn't shoot, even when he changed the actions.....so he started making his own barrels. The other barrel maker wouldn't stand behind their barrels.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
You sure have a funny way of not participating here.

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Originally posted by craigster:
If you love Remingtons and McMillan "Swirlys" you'll love 24 hr.

Yep, don't say anything bad about remmys over there. Folks are downright nasty

The door swings both ways, don't let it hit you in the rear on your way out!

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I have to say, there is a BIG bunch of idiots over there (24 hr). ...

Hey Jim, One of my buddies likes to hang out there for the laughs. He will send me a link to a Thread ever so often which validates your thoughts.

Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.

This whole discussion is silly.

1. We are not required to sign loyalty oaths for one firearms forum.

2. While a forum may have its own personality, not everything within any given forum complies with that description. Every specialty forum splits hairs to the ridiculous level - that's why we're here. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. If you don't like a person, "Ignore" him.

3. There are serious practitioners in both AR and 24-H, arguably the best two firearms fora on the web. Limiting yourself to one or the other is also silly.

Jaywalker

24HR's membership is changing and for the better. The 700 crowd has been significantly beaten down (you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time) and some of the more strident morons have been eliminated. Both sites have their virtues and detractors, but I like them both. jorge

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Originally posted by jorge:
24HR's membership is changing and for the better. The 700 crowd has been significantly beaten down (you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time) and some of the more strident morons have been eliminated. Both sites have their virtues and detractors, but I like them both. jorge

+1

they board definatly has stuff that the membership likes or does not like, kimbers are talked about all the time and the other one is people freak out if you tell them they need something other than a 6x42 leupold. I would say there are at least 10 products our brands or models that have a cult following over there. you don't get that on this board

One could almost simplify the differences between AR and 24hr as the AR crowd thinks M700's suck, and the 24hr crowd thinks they rule. I suppose one could also say paper or plastic

www.youspankmeispankyou.com

A swirly is what I hope for after my first cup of coffee in the morning, not something I order in a stock finish coat.

On AR I have had questions answered on topics ranging from what is the best technique for vacumn vapor deposition of various metals onto various other metals, to Austro-Hungarian proof marks, to the ecology of rare digging sub-Saharan marsupials (other than the politicians), to, well, y'all get the idea.

I'm still waiting for some answers about the molecular structure of Cerakote that I asked in late 2005 over on 24.

www.plaidgolfpantsforever.com

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Originally posted by Savage99:
Check out the forums at 24hourcampfire

That forum has improved as of late.

At this moment 24 HR has three times as many active posters online as AR!

I am not participating at AR these days.

LET'S SEE? I don't have a "sucks" action fitted with a PacNor barrel bedded in a
hideous McSwirley stock. Neither do I own a Leupold 6x42 scope mounted to this rifle with aluminum Talley rings. Rick Bin did not finish my stock either.

I like to voice an opposing opinion once in awhile without being told how stupid I am. And I also like to ask questions when I don't know something without being told I'm less than intellegent because intelligent people already know the answer.

If we are going to have female participation, I prefer they disuss firearms ownership and repair,
as well as hunting stories, without 2000 people
discussing what veggies to eat or what color the curtains should be! You can keep the flitter chatter!

Nah. I like it here better. I go there occaisionally, but I don't fit in too well!
I hunt with a wood stocked mauser topped with
Leupold mounts and a 3X9 Zeiss conquest. My barrel is one of those worthless things from Douglas.

The only improvement I've seen over there lately is, they got rid of the most obnoxious,
arrogant butt wipe they had.

Some of us prefer quality to quantity!
The numbers simply don't impress!

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Originally posted by Paul H:
...the AR crowd thinks M700's suck, and the 24hr crowd thinks they rule. ...

Paul, You apparently missed a few posts good number of posts here at AR by folks who actually understand firearms.

Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.

Original post by Don Slater

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The only improvement I've seen over there lately is, they got rid of the most obnoxious,
arrogant butt wipe they had.

Yeah and I think he's over here and he brought his friends

Seriously can we get back to a Gunsmithing topic and let water under the bridge be just that?

Hey now, I got some of those Talley light weights. I got a bunch of those 700s also. I love them. That ain't funny, LOL. At least none of my stocks have those goofy swirls. ...yet

NOW, the biggest one I own a 700 in is 338-06AI. Mostly calling rifles which most will agree the 700 is fine for. I got a VZ-24 that is still being reborn, with plans on at least one more. I prefer the looks of wood, but the synthetic stocks are a bit more practical IMO. (Cheaper, easier for me to fit, textured paint vs checkering, spray paint and putty to fix dings ...ect.)I even just bought an ugly old Savage, on welfare. (Stevens 200). I am also real tempted in a 6.5X55 in a CZ and getting some major customizing done.

I guess that would leave me out of 24 hr.
On test fire a friend of mine had a 7 mag PacNor barrel split from just foreward of the reciever. They wouldnt even talk to him about it, much less compensate. When he rockwell tested it, it was dead soft.

Saeed

I don't know if you are still following this thread or not but I would just like to say that the boards were a lot better before there where moderators. I think it gave some the delusion of knowledge. What does a moderator even do here? For the most part AR has always been pretty well self-moderated. Posts died (just like this one will) and people helped show each other around and the AR world was a pretty good place. No doubt AR has had some of the best info and sources of that info, on gunsmithing and hunting, on the www.

As for 24hrcf, it’s a great site too. You can find good info there also. No doubt it has its share of opinionated turds just like here. It is also more restricted/moderated than AR.

It’s kinda funny how all these boards are little microcosms of the whole planet.

As for what started all this mess, unless they are some kind of vulgar perverts or deemed universally repulsive, I wish those that have been banned from AR in the last year or so would be allowed back. And those who have thin skin or just can’t stand some one else’s vibe would just learn to use there ignore option. This is after all a great option we have here on AR, to bad it doesn’t work in the real world.

Blueticks real life ignore list:
Al Gore
Akmademajed (sp?)
My Boss
My Wife (sometimes)
Speed limits and the list goes on and on and on…………………………………………

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Original post by Don Slater

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The only improvement I've seen over there lately is, they got rid of the most obnoxious,
arrogant butt wipe they had.

Yeah and I think he's over here and he brought his friends Nah, I think they got the boot here too!

Seriously can we get back to a Gunsmithing topic and let water under the bridge be just that?

Works for me!

I've always surfed both 24hrCampfire and Accurate Reloading. I think AR has a much stronger African Forum and better postings on the Gunsmithing forum, although recent controversies have diminished it.
24hr has been getting more traffic and responses are quicker. They are doing better on general items. They do have some goofier posters but some of them are the most fun to toy with.
There's room for both. And BTW I've always enjoyed Savage99's point of veiw and consider him one of my "Internet Buddies". If you take the time to listen you might find a lot of people are better than your first impressions..........................DJ

There's r

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Originally posted by bluetick:
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As for 24hrcf, it’s a great site too. You can find good info there also. No doubt it has its share of opinionated turds just like here. It is also more restricted/moderated than AR.

(sic)

Actually I'd say it used to be that 24hr was more heavily moderated than AR, but lately it has been the opposite, and to the detriment of AR.

It never fails with a forum, once a moderator takes things personally and get's heavy handed, the forum dies.

24hr has and administrator and one moderator, Here we have Saeed and Don as admins, and I'm not sure what the count is on moderators. Too many people to keep a consistant focus on how to run the place, and a few that are heavy handed.

I agree that less moderation provides for a better forum.

BTW, I consider myself a fellow poster, Saeed simply tarnished me with the moderator title for asking to add some forums

Saeed:

Childish behaviour is not good for anyone.[/QUOTE]

Sir!! I must respectfully disagree with that statement.
Bear in Fairbanks

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Originally posted by Don Slater:

The only improvement I've seen over there lately is, they got rid of the most obnoxious,
arrogant butt wipe they had.

True. The guy styled himself as some kind of master hunter from alaska, but I don't think he ever got away from the computer considering how he seemed to post about 18 hours a day. Probably some kid from Connecticut having some laughs. The place has gotten much better since they gave him the heave-ho, good riddance.

That being said, I feel there's better information to be had here than there. I believe AR has a more experienced crowd, both hunting wise and gun wise. Both are fun to surf, but a lot of the common "wisdom" over there is a bit suspect to me.