I've never owned a Mauser, and never thought I would but lately I've been wanting a big bore, specifically a .416 Taylor.I should also mention I have a low budget. So I can buy an A&B barrel from Midway for $89, but what Mauser action to use? Argentine, Turkish, what?? I don't know large ring from small ring so can someone please tell me which actions are suitable ?? I will need to get it rebarreled and the action squared and probably the bolt face cut. I will do the trigger and stockwork myself. What might this cost ?? What's the cheapest way to end up with a .416 taylor, if not this way ?? Thanks.

I would not waste an Argentine action on that barrel. But a vz24 or one of the Russian capture K98's would be a good, inexpensive platform to build off of. Avoid the Turkish mausers since you really need to know what to look for. They are a breed unto theselves and not for the uninformed.

Stay away from the Yugo M24/47 and M48's. While they are large ring actions they are too short.

The cheapest way would be to buy a new Stevens 200 in any magnum caliber and rebarrel it. Out the door for under $400. Or, look for a used Savage. Not near as classy as a Mauser though.

Good luck.

Probably the cheapest way is to buy a used commercial mauser rifle like a Mark X, Santa Barbera, or Charles Daly that was originally in a magnum caliber and change out the barrel. You can spend a lot of time and money trying to make a MilSurp into a descent sporter.

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Originally posted by kaboom:
Probably the cheapest way is to buy a used commercial mauser rifle like a Mark X, Santa Barbera, or Charles Daly that was originally in a magnum caliber and change out the barrel. You can spend a lot of time and money trying to make a MilSurp into a descent sporter.

+1

You mentioned saving money and this is the way to do it.

Terry

This is not exactly what you're looking for as it will have to be opened up for a magnum cartridge but it is well worth the price and you only have nine hours left to get it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=52034973

Amen,
getting a clunker that's already in a mag will put you miles ahead. Here's teh deal, if you take a milsurp you are in for, on the CHEAP
cheap stock $100
barrel install $100
Feeding $100 (or more)
Trigger and safety $75
Bolt handle $50
Bedding $100
scope mounts installed $75

$600 to get started....

if you buy a 300 win mauser, say for 350, you are looking at another 100 for install teh barrel

jeffe

Where are you going to find a "complete" barrel install for $100. Heck, the barrel (A&B) costs more than that shipped. Did you forget about bluing? Even by your math a commercial should cost more like:

$350 for the action
$89 + Shipping for barrel
$100 for install

That alone puts you at $550 and you still need to blue the barrel.

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Originally posted by Poleax:
The cheapest way would be to buy a new Stevens 200 in any magnum caliber and rebarrel it. Out the door for under $400. Or, look for a used Savage. Not near as classy as a Mauser though.

Good luck.

This was my original thought since I can buy one for about $249, but then there is the matter of getting a barrel made for a Savage by someone who has that reamer. I know how to fix up the Savage tupperware stocks with more weight and stiffness, so this would only be a rebarrel. Conceivably, if I could "borrow" the go/no go gauges, I could do it myself. Anyone still making "reasonably" priced barrels for savages??

I also saw a 9.3x62 CZ in the classifieds for sale. Maybe I could make that into either a 9.3 Taylor or a 9.3 AR ??

In the same league as A&B is ER shaw. They'll set you up with the barrel for about $135 add bluing and you are set. AS you said, get a go gage and barrel nut wrench and you can have a switch barrel rifle. .300 Win Mag & .416. Hmm!

I'll take a Savage any day over one of those Santa Barbara actions. Too iffy for me. The Stevens is a remarkably true action for the money. They're not much in the looks department but they are cheap, well made, and shoot.

Before I would do all of that, I would just buy a CZ Mag .416 Taylor and trick it up.

CZ 550 Magnum

Not wanting to argue about the cost of the barrel. But I still think the cheapest way to get into a 416 is to pick up a Daly or MKX magnum. You can get a magnum action with trigger and stock ready for your barrel. Just picked up a very nice 270 MKX cavalier for $300.

Not sure you can build one for less than this.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemn...20416%20Taylor,%2021'bbl.

Midway has the barrel for $89.99 + shipping. My smith will intall them for $40 and then another $80 to matt blue. That is around $220 & $300 plus for action and stock. Yep buy the one above for $525.

There was a guy on Ebay that sold A&B for $150 installed.

Hadn't thought about a savage.

If you want a 416 Taylor (or equivalent) the cheapest way is to just rebarrel a M-70 or M-700 that is already a mag...like a 7MM mag or 300 or 338 win mag.

The statement "a cheap custom '98" is an oxymoron.

If one really wants a cheap Mauser then one goes to the gun shows and finds one already set up for a magnum. Likely a Zastava or Post war FN or Interarms etc.

If you insist on using a Milsurp '98 for the project I'd suggest starting with a VZ-24. (roughly $175) Beware however that you might have $700 in the action alone before any barrel and stock work is added.

At a miniumum you'll need the following done
new trigger (advisable but not necessary)
new safety (necessary for scope
Bolt handle alter (necessary for scope)
Drill and tap (necessary for scope)
Bolt face open (necessary for magnum cartridge)
Rails worked (necessary for feeding magnum)
Bottom metal (necessary for hinged floor plate)
New guard screws (to get rid of milsurp screws with locks)

If one chooses to have no scope or hinged floorplate he can save a whale of a lot of money.....but then, guess what you have!!!!!

If you watch, you could find a new CD Mauser for under $300, put on a new barrel and sell the takeoff on Ebay, or just buy the one on auction.

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Originally posted by Poleax:
Where are you going to find a "complete" barrel install for $100. Heck, the barrel (A&B) costs more than that shipped. Did you forget about bluing? Even by your math a commercial should cost more like:

$350 for the action
$89 + Shipping for barrel
$100 for install

That alone puts you at $550 and you still need to blue the barrel.

this gentleman will SUPPLY the barrel and install it for $150...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mauser-barrel-INSTALLED-in-your-cal...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

you may recall the $100 barrel install thread, which is in the misc section.


"to get started"... and "low budget"...

i figured bluing wouldn't be in his budget, as lots of this are clod blued, or hotwater blued, at nominal cost.

jeffe

$150 is not $100 no matter how many times you say it is.

More importantly, this "gent" says this:

"To those of you who are " watching" this auction, Please feel free to call me .,if you need the work done, at a great price, call. I usually charge 165.00, and that doesn't include the barrel."

So, this is apparently a ONE TIME event not his normal fee. His Normal fee would be the barrel $89 plus $165. A far cry from $100.

I won't even touch your statement about bluing.

Frankly, I'd go for that .416 in the Butler Creek stock for the buy it now price and be happy.
I'm in the plannimg stages of having an FN style Husqvarna Mauser made into a .35 Whelen. The barrel job alone will be $400, and the rifle needs to be drilled and tapped for a scope and bedded into a Butler Creek stock. The whole package will run me just a hair over $600, and that is using a commercial mauser action, not converting a milsurp which would run into a lot more money. I will admit my gunsmith ain't cheap, but the job is done right the first time, and to me that is important.
Dies for that 416 Taylor are pricey as hell, (At least from RCBS.)so I would also consider working with that guy on some kind of package deal.
If you go that route BTW, make your brass from .458 Win. Brass. That is what I use to make my brass for my .375 Taylor. That's a darn nice cartridge too. Anyway, my point is it is easier to neck .458 brass down than neck .338 Mag. brass up.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by Paul B:
Frankly, I'd go for that .416 in the Butler Creek stock for the buy it now price and be happy.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemn...20416%20Taylor,%2021

Yup...all in all that's a deal...the dies and formed brass are something to deal with...offer him $10 for the dies (Lee) and .25 each for formed brass.....

That's a great deal.....and just what you're looking for!!!

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Originally posted by Poleax:
$150 is not $100 no matter how many times you say it is.

More importantly, this "gent" says this:

"To those of you who are " watching" this auction, Please feel free to call me .,if you need the work done, at a great price, call. I usually charge 165.00, and that doesn't include the barrel."

So, this is apparently a ONE TIME event not his normal fee. His Normal fee would be the barrel $89 plus $165. A far cry from $100.

I won't even touch your statement about bluing.

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Poleax,

I really don't get your take on this.


For $100 installed, I merely refer you to your own post on Mr Skaggs.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/.../599102764#599102764

which points that you might notice that you are aware by your former posting on the $100 barrel install thread


your math
89 barrel
100 install
$189

ebay math
150 barrel and install

your post on the $100 thread..



and mark stating he does the install for $100...


so, yes, $100 install...

probably cheaper to buy a new Rem 700 SPS in 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag and rebarrel it.....no other changes needed....you can add a better stock later.....
That's how I built mine....it went into a Bell & Carlson stock....

PS...get the SPS 300 Win Mag...you can actually maybe sell a 300 Win Mag barrel....7 Rem Mag barrels are a dime a dozen...

Lee makes dies for the 416 Taylor....not much if any more than common cartridge dies.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
$150 is not $100 no matter how many times you say it is.

More importantly, this "gent" says this:

"To those of you who are " watching" this auction, Please feel free to call me .,if you need the work done, at a great price, call. I usually charge 165.00, and that doesn't include the barrel."

So, this is apparently a ONE TIME event not his normal fee. His Normal fee would be the barrel $89 plus $165. A far cry from $100.

I won't even touch your statement about bluing.

\

Poleax,

I really don't get your take on this.


For $100 installed, I merely refer you to your own post on Mr Skaggs.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/.../599102764#599102764

which points that you might notice that you are aware by your former posting on the $100 barrel install thread


your math
89 barrel
100 install
$189

ebay math
150 barrel and install


your post on the $100 thread..



and mark stating he does the install for $100...


so, yes, $100 install...

Jeffe,

I really don't understand what the hell you are trying to say? All I said is that you said a barrel install was $100. I said you forgot to add the barrel. Then you point everyone to a one time eBay auction wherein the seller states his NORMAL rate is $165 NOT including the barrel.

How this convestion came around to Mark Skaggs is beyond me. I fail to see where I said anything in this thread about him?? Nor do I see what relevence he has to the topic at hand?

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR FOR YOU: You said a barrel install was $100. I asked where you could find such a mythical deal. You posted a link to an auction where the price was $150 including the barrel but less shipping. $150, not $100. Where I grew up $150 does not equal $100 no matter how many old posts you drag up.

You remind me of a 5 year old, you always want to be right and you always have to have the last word.

I'm pretty sure the rest of the folks here on AR could give a !%$# about a $50 difference so lets do them a favor and let it go shall we?

Oh well, Bowhuntr, you can get your barrel installed for $100 from Mark Skaggs, as poleax has noted previously. Or you can buy that ebay auction and get a barrel AND install for $100

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Originally posted by Poleax:
Jeffe,

I really don't understand what the hell you are trying to say?

I understand that.

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
All I said is that you said a barrel install was $100. I said you forgot to add the barrel.

good that you are clear that the install and the barrel are different things

what you actually asked is

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
Where are you going to find a "complete" barrel install for $100

I answered that, with the Skaggs thread, that a complete barrel install is $100.

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
How this convestion came around to Mark Skaggs is beyond me. I fail to see where I said anything in this thread about him?? Nor do I see what relevence he has to the topic at hand?

relevence to the topic at hand.. good one.

You asked where one could get a complete barrel
install for $100. There is is

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR FOR YOU: You said a barrel install was $100. I asked where you could find such a mythical deal.

See above, asked and answered

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
You posted a link to an auction where the price was $150 including the barrel but less shipping. $150, not $100. Where I grew up $150 does not equal $100 no matter how many old posts you drag up.

Wait a second, I thought we just agreed that a barrel install and a barrel where two different, though related, things.

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Originally posted by Poleax:

You remind me of a 5 year old, you always want to be right and you always have to have the last word.

The alternative is that YOU always want to right and you always have to have the last word?

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Originally posted by Poleax:

I'm pretty sure the rest of the folks here on AR could give a !%$# about a $50 difference so lets do them a favor and let it go shall we?

And if you read the topic (that relevence thing you mentioned)this is a low budget deal.

Let me revise my assessment of you, make that a 4 year old.

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Originally posted by Poleax:
Let me revise my assessment of you, make that a 4 year old.

Okay, you are right...

you started an arguement, I only choose to rebute your arguement, which I accomplished without name calling or belittling.

have a nice day, ya'll... I am certain most folks undertand that Mark Skaggs will install a barrel for $100, and that a barrel purchase is not a barrel install.

For those that don't understand that, here's a pretty good break down
http://www.pac-nor.com/pricelist/

FWIW installing a new barrel requires quite a bit of things

such as
1 threading to fit the action
2 chambering to fit the bolt and action
3 in some guns to cut an extractor groove
4 cone shaped breach and counterbore
The cone commonly found on M-70 classics and pre-64 and the counterbore on the Remingtons

5 cutting barrel to length
6 crowning muzzle
7 polishing barrel OD
8 rebluing barreled action
9 minor fitting of new barrel to the stock

Rebluing alone is about $100 if you want a good job.....

Not too sure what the smiths on this forum charge but I'd sure as hell charge more for a square threaded Enfield with a coned breach and a extractor cut.

The Mausers are the easiest to fit a barrel to IMO.....I've never done a Ruger (and won't)

Even the counterbore on a Remington requires another boring operation...it's no big deal but I'd charge more for that.....not so much that it's a lot of work but just another chance of botching the entire job.


If all I had to do was to thread, chamber and fit a barrel to a Mauser action, cut to length and crown the muzzle and let the customer take care of polishing the barrel and action and bluing and iron sight installation I'd do it for $100 each all day long.....

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Originally posted by vapodog:
If all I had to do was to thread, chamber and fit a barrel to a Mauser action, cut to length and crown the muzzle and let the customer take care of polishing the barrel and action and bluing and iron sight installation I'd do it for $100 each all day long.....

What is it you do now? Maybe you should throw out your shingle.

Jeff,

I didn't start an arguement, I simply asked where you would find a "complete" barrel install for $100. In case you hadn't noticed your post was rather vague. One could easily interpret your original statement to mean barrel included. It would have been so much easier if you would simply have clarified by saying $100 to install the barrel and another $89 for the barrel.. Instead you cloud the issue by bringing up 5 page threads from the past and posting links to PacNor, etc.

I find your choice of words interesting. Interesting that your perceive everything as a challenge or arguement.

Another interesting point, in all these threads you bring up, who is the common denominator? jeffe, that's who. You are always in the thick of things. Moderator? Hmm, instigator.

It is obvious that further "discussion" on our part would be pointless and add very little to the thread so I am out!

Bowhunterrl, Good luck and let us know which way you choose to go with the project.

-Ax

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Poleax:
Let me revise my assessment of you, make that a 4 year old.

Okay, you are right...

you started an arguement, I only choose to rebute your arguement, which I accomplished without name calling or belittling.

have a nice day, ya'll... I am certain most folks undertand that Mark Skaggs will install a barrel for $100, and that a barrel purchase is not a barrel install.

For those that don't understand that, here's a pretty good break down
http://www.pac-nor.com/pricelist/

Relax and enjoy the weekend.

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Originally posted by Poleax:

One could easily interpret your original statement to mean barrel included. http://www.pac-nor.com/pricelist/

Yeah, that's right... sorry about that

IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD A BARREL INSTALLED, YOU SHOULD NOTE YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE 2 CHARGES, ONE FOR THE BARREL AND ONE FOR THE INSTALL.

now, for the other 99% of the posters on AR....
<sigh>

Just trying to help a guy understand what he's looking at in prices

jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

Just trying to help a guy understand what he's looking at in prices

jeffe

You could try being complete.

z1r,
you are probably right.. though I was trying to comment on the guys' actual question .. he said

quote:

I have a low budget. So I can buy an A&B barrel from Midway for $89, .... What might this cost ?? What's the cheapest way to end up with a .416 taylor, if not this way ?? Thanks."

which was his question. In my mind (i know I assumed) the AB barrel as a foregone conclusion, and therefore as a "Wash cost" didnt' enter into the equation.

jeffe

It can be cheaper to scavenge the market for a used m-98 in the caliber you want than to make one.

Mauser m-98 needs much to be done with it before its ready and the cost goes higher wit tha list of requirement you put on tha list of work. M-98 is best to build something special on that you cant get from other manufactures, when the total cost will be high for the project.

Jeffe, Mr. SpellCheck, what does "rebute" and woregone mean????

BTW, the one thing I admire about you and I should add, the only thing and "admire"is a bit inflated, is that you NEVER get tired of being wrong. Thankfully, you will never run out of knowledgeable people here that will try to set you straight. It is a tough task.

Bowhuntrrl, if you really want a classy looking mauser you might consider getting someone to surface grind the action for you. That will get rid of the stripper clip hump true up the front and rear rings.

Thanks Jeff and all,

Actually, I'm leaning towards the Savage deal and may attempt to build the "Ultimate El Cheapo Big Bore" project. Stevens .300 or .338 Mag for $249 (complete rifle) action already matte finish. Sell the barrel on Snipershide or the savage forum for $60-$75. Gets me down to roughly $180. Now, where to get the barrel is the question. It looks like ER Shaw doesn't have the reamer for .416 taylor. Looks like I'll either have to find another source or buy a blank and farm out the threading and chambering and crowning. Not sure of the cost of that, unless that falls into that
$100 deal. Final finish with my airbrush and some KG Guncoat in matte black. A steel pushrod inletted into the barrel channel for stiffness, some foam and lead shot in the butt for weight and balance. Finally a homemade camo job. I hope to bring this in for under $500. Let's see if I can do it !!! As a side note, this is not a DG rifle, just for fun , bears, possible elk, and maybe hogs.

Did you call Shaw or just visit their website?

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ER Shaw doesn't have the reamer for .416 taylor

The 416 Taylor is listed on Shaw's website.

You will need an oven to cure guncoat.

Bowhunter,
sounds like a plan, and a nice low buck boomer!! IIRC, there used to be a savage 416 taylor "kit" with a barrel nut, from midway that was a shaw barrel. pretty simple to install. While this is not currently a listed product, I bet you could find one on one of the savage websites.

Paul,
I THINK (haven't tried it) you could cure guncoat with a $9.99 heat gun from harbour freight. I believe I still have some duracoat, so I may give it a try.

jeffe

22" barrels will fit in many home ovens diagonally. Be sure not to coat the threads or you'll be cleaning them again.

I made a baker for longer barrels and barreled actions from a section of 6" stove pipe with an end cap. Just hang the barrel from the center of the end cap, install it in the pipe section and put the open-bottom assembly on a Coleman stove or other outside heat source. Even a hotplate would work but in any case you need a cast iron pan or piece of plate to set the pipe on. My Coleman wouldn't quite get it up to 400 inside so I drilled a 3/8" hole in the piece of plate I use to let some more heat in. Poke a hole in the center of the stack and slip a casting thermometer into the air column and you're good to go. Took longer to type (and edit, LOL) this out that to get set up the first time.

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I made a baker for longer barrels and barreled actions from a section of 6" stove pipe with an end cap.

Never tried the stove pipe. I built mine from foil lined insulation and a wood frame. Added an electric stove coil and control knob and even a circulating fan. Plenty of room to do 2 or 3 complete rifles at once.

It is not hard to make an oven or find a way to cure it. Just something that needs to be done. I used some of the none heat cured coating from Brownell's. Easier to install but I have not tested the lasting power.