The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Guns, Politics, Gunsmithing & Reloading Gunsmithing POS Remington 700!Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
| POS Remington 700! | Login/Join |
one of us |
From over at Snipershide.com This would have NEVER happened if he had been using a Masuser 98! Its that little third safety lug thing. MJC Sergeant Registered: 08/03/05 Posts: 192 Loc: La. Two weeks ago a fellow had a stainless Remington 700 receiver blow up in his face. It was a 300 RUM chambering with a custom barrel done by a good 'smith. I do not remember what weight powder charge was used, but a witness said that he didn't think that was the problem as prior shots were without incident. It was reported that this particular case/powder combo couldn't be overcharged to that extent. The front ring split vertically and a large chunk of the receiver's left side took out several teeth and lodged up inside his head. The barrel's chamber and threads "appeared" undamaged. The bolt came back and was deflected by the cheekpiece on the McMillan A5 stock. These are the only details I have. Will post more if I can.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | ||
|
| One of Us |
From your description it doesn't sound like a third lug was needed. I wouldn't be too quick to take what is posted on the internet as fact by a second or third hand source unless I personally new the shooter and the witness. Anything can be claimed as fact. If you don't believe me go to e-harmony.com and see what you end up with.  | |||
|
| One of Us |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by D Humbarger: From over at Snipershide.com This would have NEVER happened if he had been using a Masuser 98! Its that little third safety lug thing. You should NEVER say NEVER!!  Check out the pictures of a blown up Mauser in the December 2006 issue of Precision Shooting Magazine.The front ring is in about four or five pieces, the extractor is broken in half, the rails are bent to shit, mag box and floor plate bent, and the stock broken. | |||
|
One of Us |
Well.....I'm a maybe here! This is the first Rem 700 I've ever heard of blowing! I notice it was rebarreled.....for now one could assume responsibly so!...that's not a difficult task! The action was mentioned as stainless and Sako had a rash of bad material in stainless some time ago!.....? I think it's a wait and see issue.....While it's early to guess what this is all about...... I'll hazard a guess......and strictly a guess...The new barrel was not counterbored. I'm hoping for a full recovery of the shooter!!!!! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
|
One of Us |
You're right Remington's are POS...that is why they are the base action for the Marine Corps sniper rifle and the standard for 90% plus of the SWAT teams in the US. And mausers never blow...they only stretch...and that third lug solves all problems.   But I am old and my eyes are bad...can somebody tell me if that receiver ring split. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
| One of Us |
 | |||
|
| one of us |
The bolt is STILL where it is supposed to be!!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
|
| One of Us |
That’s the one! The shooter had his eyes filled with brass shavings that had to be removed by a doctor and had numerous cuts and burns all over his face. The only thing that kept the bolt from coming back into his face was that the receiver bulged upward just in front of the rear bridge and trapped the bolt...which flew open by itself when the front ring came apart. I think the moral to all of these stories is that shit happens and no rifle is 100% safe...not even the sacred Mausers. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Doug, You're right the bolt in the rifle is just wonderful. I am sure the shooter will be thankful for that as they remove the shrapnel of the receiver ring from his face and skull. Cause when I went through a set of French doors while fighting a suspect and they spent what seemed like an hour tweezering shards of glass and splinters of wood out of my scalp I said...thank God it was a pine French door and not oak...cause I could have really gotten hurt. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Hello Mike dettorre, Even with pictures, facts, etc. will those bitch'n about the Remingtons cease. I have used Rem. 700's or a close variant for over 50 years as both civilian and in "government work..." and would not want anything else for sport shooting or otherwise. It just simply works, easy to modify, repair, extremely accurate results obtained, what's the bitch?? Not good for dangerous game is always a point brought out by the naysayers and rest assured the Rem. 700 has and is dealing every day with the most dangerous game of all- man -in the form of the enemy. Some so close you can smell them and others so far away that they are mere dots of color. You can bet the "bad guys" know exactly just how "bad" the Remingtons are all over this planet . | |||
|
| One of Us |
Perhaps you missed reading the reason that the bolt stayed where it was. It sure as hell wasn’t because of the third lug, or that it didn’t try its best to get out of there. | |||
|
| One of Us |
It ain't because of the 3rd lug. The bolt handle is up. I would say the "bend in the action" has something to do with the bolt holding. | |||
|
| One of Us |
if that's the rifle I think it is, the bolt stayed in the receiver because the action bowed and trapped it- that would be the testimony of the gun's owner. | |||
|
| One of Us |
That’s the way Heir Mauser designed it. When the receiver fails it bows up in the middle and stops the bolt from coming back at you!  | |||
|
| One of Us |
I was told to post them but Mike beat me to it. Going to post them anyway to clutter up the place.    | |||
|
| One of Us |
Looks like a Savage 116 I had in here this past year... | |||
|
| One of Us |
Oh Chic you are just a rabble rouser Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
| one of us |
did the story in PS say what caused the incident? | |||
|
| One of Us |
I believe malm’s idea about the molecules ceasing to “hold hands†was the culprit! Poor heat treating was the primary and obvious suspect. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I once had a girlfriend that suddenly refused to hold my hand...and all I had was cold sore. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
one of us |
Not a 116 but a blued Savage, notice that the bolt stayed in:  Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
|
| One of Us |
Frank, That's the 300 RUM? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
|
| One of Us |
My goodness...that looks sort of like malm’s shop! | |||
|
| one of us |
Did you ever notice that no one ever owns up to dynamiting their rifle? | |||
|
| One of Us |
That is a 116 and that is my shop. | |||
|
One of Us |
All the pictures and stories have me quite curious, what exactly caused the blow ups? The Mauser ? The Savage? The Remington that started the post? What was the culprit for each of these? | |||
|
| One of Us |
You are quite correct. You will also be hard pressed to find a guy who will admit to pulling the trigger when he has an “accidental†discharge. It’s always the fault of a bad trigger or safety design. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Snellstorm, I suspect that very few people actually ever know becuase there is no bigger BS crowd than the gun ground. The short answer is pressure and I suspect that metal fatique is the least comoon and the most common is pilot error. Wrong Ammo... Too much powder... Wrong bullet... Most gun folks rarely raise thier hand and say "I screwed up" Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
| one of us |
My point is that the Mauser & the Savage shooters did not end up with a bolt in their head as did the poor remmy shooter did. Which gun would you had rather been shooting? Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
|
| One of Us |
This is why i dont mess with max loads loud pipes save lives | |||
|
| one of us |
Hummm, you might be onto something. At least the owners of these have a clue as to what caused their problems.    | |||
|
| one of us |
I don't believe max loads had anything to do with blowups like those. You're talking over 90000 to 100000 psi to destroy a rifle like that, has to be wrong cartridge, powder, etc. It is also funny that they had to find a Mauser that blew up so long ago the picture was in B&W and yellowed like parchment. Let's face it, blowups like these aren't caused by reading the scale wrong and loading 72 grains instead of 70 grains, they are caused by pouring in Bullseye instead of 4350, or something as drastic. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
|
one of us |
Malm, I would have to disagree. One of my coworkers who happens to be lazy, a complainer, shiftless and about 200lbs over weight found his perfect mate on e-harmany. I've meet her and she's just like him except different body parts. I've never meet two people that deserve each other more. I believe in God, but I also believe there is a form of evolution at work too. I believe it's God's way of weeding out the weak minded and keeping them from reproducing. Some of the pictures I see posted on here show his plan at work. "Billybob, stop poking that alligotor with a stick" See, it works  Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
|
| One of Us |
Unless he's rare, I doubt that your coworker said he was anything but a stud. That is why he got stuck with what he got. And once the door to the livestock trailer opened and dumped her ass on the dirt road leading to his door, and they finally met, she was probably greatful he was breathing, and he was greatful that, by her size, she could cook, provide shade and entertainment. | |||
|
| one of us |
Shade didn't have anything to do with it. Ever hear that saying....Roll her around in flour and find a wet spot"  Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
|
| one of us |
Actually you have no proof that any Remington accident happened. No photos, no news paper articles. Nothing but sewing circle talk. I have seen a photo of a blown up 700 Remington. It is the classic top of the receiver blown off and the bolt stayed in it. This was documented in a gun magazine by photo. BTW a Sarco employee was killed 4 or 5 years ago while shooting a 6MM Lee-Navy rifle. He was using reduced loads and a piece of the reciever was blown into his skull. This was documented in newspaper article and an memorial page that was posted on Sarco's site for a while. | |||
|
one of us |
Who wants to bet that therewas 30 grains( or more) of 3031 in that 45-70 case that took apart the 86 Winchester . . . NOT an underload? Just a SWAG of course! OH, as someone I know says," When high temperatures and pressures are involved one should NEVER say I think that "so and so" will happen. Perfect example also whay one should ALWAYS wear a pair of shooting glsasses , , , even the cheap plastic ones. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'm pretty sure if someone really cared to, they could dig up some current, colored photos of blown Mausers. The point being, that those "sacred cows" (Mausers and Winchesters) aren't immune from folk who have their heads tucked up their asses when handling, or, loading for them. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Didn't think of that. I went ahead and edited that reply. Tell me if that works. | |||
|
| one of us |
Just a swag....yes. Here is just a swag that you are wrong. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia