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Originally posted by fyj:
I can see how a guy that gets caught talking out of his ass on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about might consider someone who calls him on his bullshit to be a thorn in his ass!

Why don’t you take a breath and go take apart a 03 bolt (assuming you have one) and then come talk to me about how they go together and what the parts do and don’t do.

I can fully understand now why you choose to be a defender of our moderator when he starts telling his tall tales. I think they call that birds of a feather flocking together, or something like that!

If you are such a “master craftsman†of “precision parts†then why did it take you so damn many years to figure out that bottom metal is supposed to have a draft on it so it can be inletted properly, and that Remington BDL bottom metal should be designed to take BDL mag boxes?

I've got one on my desk, which I'll snap a picture of for ya tomorrow when I go home for my camera.

Our parts didn't have draft on them, since we were making our parts according to the specifications that USRAC demanded........
Part of being a machinist or master crafstman of precision machined parts, is the ability to read and interpret blueprints.

The use of an ADL magazine boxe was due to design issues in our original forging that was never intended for a Remington bottom metal in the first place. We originally designed that system to be sold directly to McMillan as a replacement for the M40-A1, which worked quite well, but we've sinced changed our direction and decided to cater more to the individual customers, rather than the larger manufacturers; namely because we had to.

We developed our bottom metal for large distribution, but saw a good opportunity for people that would like to have good quality bottom metal, but didn't want to spend as much as their rifle on it.

That I think we accomplished.


I figured that you would assume you "caught me", but you'd better get up pretty early and drink lots of coffee before you decide to start pinning me down on knowledge about firearms.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you damn well know what I do.
I grew up in a gunsmith shop that was a stone's throw from my house from the time I was 4. I was refinishing stocks for customers at age 8 and had to have metal chips removed from my eye at age 9 from running a lathe with 60's era safety glasses.
I've got more pieces and parts to just about every modern turnbolt in my office as most would accumulate in a lifetime.
Anytime you want to go head to head on the engineering aspects of firearms.......say when.

I had it out on this site a couple of years ago with, at that time, a respected gunsmith about the intricacies of the operation of a model 70 safety system. He called me out like you did, but later took the information that I used to contradict him and posted on another site, as if it was his own thoughts.

There are several people on this site that I admire their work, knowledge, and abilities, but you're definitely not on the list.

Your posts have been on the average, annoying at best.

Don't you have anything better to do than get people irritated????

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Originally posted by Wildlife Artist:
Mr Williams

Can your company build model 70 actions? You have fantastic cnc goodies.

Even though I know this going to be opening a can of worms......YES.

I'm actually working on that right now.

I know.....I know....I've been saying it for along time, but I'm back at it again.

Had to finish up the bolt stop and ejector systems today, so I'm looking at making more chips tomorrow and this weekend.

The bolt shrouds are done as well as the firing pins, sleeve locks, cocking pieces, followers, triggers, sears, hinge pins for all the above, and of course bottom metal.

Had to redesign the bolt body and handle, which is proving to be quite nice, but the last big hangup was the bolt stop and release.....Got that figured now, so it shouldn't be long.


It sure has taken way longer than I ever wanted it to, but it's a story that would use up all of this site's bandwidth....

Matt, just ignore him and the couple others like him................

Are you making bottom metal for pre-64's with a draft yet? I'll be needing one for an upcoming stock project and if it'll be soon I'll wait for it.

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Originally posted by duikerman:

Surface feet of about 600 and feed rate of .006 per rev. Increase feed as it allows to .012 if you can get there.

BTW, replying to fyj is a mistake as he's merely a troll here.

Not bad, but would you believe I'm pulling off 850sfm and .016" per rev.?

Hanitas are just plain Bad Ass.......

They run scary fast when you're not used to seeing it.

1/2 endmills at .300" deep doing 115 IPM at 7500....spooky, but nice.

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Not bad, but would you believe I'm pulling off 850sfm and .016" per rev.?

I've run solid carbides in 303 stainless at 1100 SFM but like to start conservative.

The .016 feed isn't bad at all!

Varimills are great for stammering chatter and help when extended reaches are required.

Hey fyj, if you knew shit you'd have replied here.

"It sure has taken way longer than I ever wanted it to, but it's a story that would use up all of this site's bandwidth.... "

I, for one, would love to see you take up all of that bandwith and tell the story. It would be immensely interesting to read all of the details that go into developing an action, even if it is making one that closely resembles another.

And, since you have quite a few of those parts finished, I bet I am not the only one that would love to see a few snaps!!!!!

I own three of those Model 70s with the litle screw in the bolt shroud. The reason I want to own them is not because the screw is there for the reason the screw is there (does that make sense) but rather becasue that screw being there tells me those were earlier Model 70 classics that seem to have been built with a little bit more quality than the later ones. Another way of saying it would be to say Model 70 Classics with serial numbers under G290,000.

And finally, I thought climb milling wasn't a good thing to do?

Put the safety on the oposite side of the bolt.

Dave

(hold my beer and watch ya'll.. this is where FYJ changes the subject, lies, and whines.. .and begins another 5 page rant about me...)

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Originally posted by fyj:
I can see how a guy that gets caught talking out of his ass on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about might consider someone who calls him on his bullshit to be a thorn in his ass!

is that an appology FYJ explaining your actions. Don't worry, we all understand, and your appology is accepted.

Now, what does "accpeted" mean? is that like jorgon? something everyone KNEW what you meant, but some jackass points out a typing error like it's the end of the world?

Damn! This did not go like I figured it would.

I kinda figured everyone would point out what they liked best of the Mauser and the model 70
and make an effort to combine them into one more superior action.

Unless I've read some of the posts incorrectly,
very few care to do this? Two camps seem to have emerged, model 70 lovers and mauser lovers. Neither camp would change very much on the one they favor?

Matt,

I, for one, have put off buying a new Kimber 84
until such a time as your action emerges. Didn't really like the Montana action that well.

Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get your rendition on the market. What it takes to actually build an action exceeds by far anything I know on the subject. I just know what I like!

Are you going to make an SA sized action for the 308 family of cartridges?

What to do with the Model 70? Well sorry to say it, but the Model 70 was gone since about 1959 and its been down hill ever since. This is not to say that they frist few years of the new Classic was not a good rifle, they were. But they were also to expensive to make and well we live in the age of the 200 dollar rifle. So what to do, on one hand if you really make them the way they are suppose to be, then you are looking at 4 to 5 thousand dollar guns maybe a bit more than that, Just look at what the New mauser 98 sporters go for. The market is just not there Heck Dakota is on its last legs. So what to do, I don't have a clue, I do know that with out being able to make a profit, no busines will stay in business for long, unless you are an Airline, but that is a whole nother issue. There are M-70 actions to be had, Waffenbrik Hein aka Peter Nordeen is about as good as it gets for a 70 action the down side, write a check for 3K or more. Its a hard nut to crack, you ever wonder why Savage never tried to bring back the 99? I am thankful that I can get a pretty good rifle, from Ruger.

Here is what I would change:

1. Mauser style gas flange and bolt stop. (Matt-the current one does appear inefectual)

2. Put the safety on the other side. (think about it-when carrying the rifle with your right hand gripping the pistol grip, it would be easier to just move your thumb up than to undue your grip and swing your thumb to the other side)

3. Eliminate the cuts in the reciever threads. (they cause distorted chambers if the barrel is tightened too much.

BTW-I have one of the CRF/push feed actions (it's a 308), and I must say that it is pretty slick. It is very smooth, and feeds perfectly. The only real difference is the extractor, but it would make rebarreling eaiser.