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Makes me even happier to live in a State which doesn't pile a load of shit onto law abiding folks wanting to make a living in firearms.


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Posts: 3171 | Location: SLC, Utah | Registered: 23 February 2007Reply With Quote
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Don't ever assume some mail order catalog house knows the law


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10181 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With Quote
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So Cas II ;What makes you a fucking authority ?.

I already stated it was local ordinances pertaining too licensing in my county as well as OTHER county's in CA.

BAFTE wasn't the reason I couldn't keep an FFL , it was KOMMYFRONIA LOCAL license and permits were

denied .

They wanted " EVERY FFL DEALER " in a COMMERCIAL STORE FRONT , NO EXCEPTIONS that I'm aware of .

NO I'm NOT AN EXPERT ON BAFTE AFFAIRS and if it's prohibited in my County and surrounding county's

locally ,WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT ME TO DO ABOUT IT ??????. I DON'T LIVE IN CITY ZONING as I

don't live inside any city limits !!!!!!.


I don't know whether your simply dense or ignorant ? I HAD AN FFL !. I was unable to keep it.I

had it for nearly 28 Years !. I can't even obtain a CR license as it was also turned down !.

and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY VIOLATIONS PERTAINING TOO ME !!!!!!!


I WORKED FOR THE DoD DoE With Clearances !. So extremely doubtful back ground was a problem .

As I've been on the FBI list since 1966 along with my Military service records an Honorable

discharge
I've never even had a Parking ticket . archer archer archer
 
Posts: 4485 | Location: Planet Earth | Registered: 17 October 2008Reply With Quote
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What makes me the authority? Who said anything about me being an authority? All I did was actually read the rules which showed that you were completely out in left field.

What you actually said was:

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No business frontage NO FFL in KOMMYFORNIA !!!!!!!.


I then showed you that your statement was patently false, and pointed out that it was a LOCAL ORDINANCE that you have a problem with.

I also pointed out that CA laws are in line with Federal laws regarding the issue, and that your problems have nothing to do with California.

Your head then twisted off and you got pissed and started cussing and changing your story because you realized that you were full of BS and it is plain as day for everyone to see.

Calm down, have a drink, and get over yourself.
 
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Posted 26 August 2009 04:47
Cas II your in Yolo County , MANY KOMMYFORNIA COUNTY'S ordinances prohibit FFL holders working from Residential addresses .

Seems to me that's what I posted CasII !.

Then You Posted the following didn't you !.

4. Any regulatory business license, or licenses, required by local government,!!!.

2. A regulatory or business license that states on its face, "Valid for Retail Sales of Firearms" and endorsed by the signature of the issuing authority; or

3. A letter from the licensing authority stating that the jurisdiction does not require any form of regulatory or business license or does not " otherwise restrict " or regulate the sale of firearms. After obtaining the above licenses,

DID YOU READ WHAT YOU POSTED ?. Like # 4 or # 2 or perhaps # 3 " otherwise restrict " !!!.

Last but not least I posted this statement !.

They wanted " EVERY FFL DEALER " in a COMMERCIAL STORE FRONT , NO EXCEPTIONS that I'm aware of .

I was never a dealer, made no difference NO FFL !. Yes you are correct categorically speaking .

I stand corrected as it's up to local ordinances pertaining too licenses and permits !.

I shouldn't of made the Blanket Kommyfornia statement as I WAS WRONG ! I also said so .

How much clearer does that need to be Cas ?.

If You like I can have former attorney general Bill Locklear call you and explain " LOCAL ORDINANCES

PERTAINING TOO LICENSES " AS FAR AS INDIVIDUAL COUNTY'S ARE CONCERNED !.


I also said as far as Yolo and Marin County's were concerned I DIDN'T KNOW it's simply printed on the

shipping pages of Sportsmans paradise or whatever it's called and Cheaper than Dirt .



If you would like to try and do business out of a Los Angles residence or San Fransisco


San Bernardino , San Diego or Imperial County ; BOL too you obtaining that license !!!!!!!!!.



Because to the best of my knowledge permits were resented or when expired non renewable ( MY CASE )

without a commercial address and an actual Store front open for business during regular business hours !.


The reason I stated STORE FRONT !. A personal friend used another friends business address and actually

conducted transactions there , it worked for a while UNTIL THE FEDS shut him down !. As it wasn't

exactly his store nor was it a firearms business open during " REGULAR HOURS " !. He moved out of state

!.
[B]I wasn't alone as their were several hundreds ?, of FFL holders who lost their licenses because

of that !. archer archer archer
 
Posts: 4485 | Location: Planet Earth | Registered: 17 October 2008Reply With Quote
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Mike_Dettorre ;Don't ever assume some mail order catalog house knows the law

I don't Mike . As I don't reside there I haven't a clue , it's simply printed on their shipping

pages , I assume for a reason !.
archer archer archer
 
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Doc,

My presumption would be that the reason is...They misinterprted a law.

Just like a whole bunch of flks believe that as non FFL folder they are prohibited form shipping a gun to CA.

Just like a whole bunch of folks believe that as a non FFL holder they need a copy of the an FFL to ship a gun

Just like a whole bunhc of people believe California does not have a "Castle Doctrine"

Just like a whole bunch of people believe Fish and Game needs permission to enter private property


I could go on... Big Grin


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10181 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With Quote
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I just went through the entire process in San Diego County. The BATF will be more than glad to help you through the process and even approve you, however, you must be able to show them all your local and state business licenses. In San Diego county, you won't get a business license if you are working out of your home. The sheriff requires a location and business hours as they are the ones doing the CA DOJ inspections. As for BATF they even called my landlord to make sure he was ok with a gun shop as the lease tenant. Once they get your application and see that you have all the licenses then you will have no problem.



The above post was from a person who " Purchased a FFL kit " and found he needed a store front ,

within San Diego County . That was on the FFL kit suppliers blog along with many more around the state of Kommyfornia !.


CAS and others Page IV or the forward pretty much tells the tale .

http://lcav.org/library/report...-MANUAL-original.pdf


According too " Bill " there are " SEVERAL COUNTY'S " which prohibit FFL holders working from residences with in the state of CA.!.

Like Even Sacramento !. As the former Attorney General of Calif. , HE OUGHT TO KNOW !.

archer archer archer
 
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