What would one expect to pay for a 1910-1936 small ring M98 Mexican action?

I'm looking for something to make into a sporter so it need not be an un-altered action but I don't want a rusty paper weight either.

I am wanting a small ring, small shank, intermediate length action to build a lightwieght 7X57 on a Mannlicher stock.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=211765982

Yeah I know about that one! I was wondering how much to bid & really didn't want to advertise it.

Do you really think the stuff on Gunbroker is secret?

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Originally posted by craigster:
Do you really think the stuff on Gunbroker is secret?

No, but no sense broadcasting it.

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
What would one expect to pay for a 1910-1936 small ring M98 Mexican action?

I'm looking for something to make into a sporter so it need not be an un-altered action but I don't want a rusty paper weight either.

I am wanting a small ring, small shank, intermediate length action to build a lightwieght 7X57 on a Mannlicher stock.

If you want something small ring & lightweight, why not consider a 1891 Argentine? They've got more steel in the receiver ring than a '93-'96 SR Mauser and only a tad less than a Mexican '98. They stock into a very slim stock which also means less weight. They are shorter and stiffer than an intermediate. The magazine can be shortened to a more attractive 3 shot version and the trigger guard tastefully contoured. They are also about $200 cheaper than a Mexican. The striker mechanism can be replaced with a M93 style using a shortened firing pin. This would give you access to aftermarket safeties. The bolt stop can also be replaced with a M93 type.

Here is one another poster did:

Decent action, 200-300. Add 50 for a 36 with proper bolt

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Originally posted by Bobster:
If you want something small ring & lightweight, why not consider a 1891 Argentine? They've got more steel in the receiver ring than a '93-'96 SR Mauser and only a tad less than a Mexican '98. They stock into a very slim stock which also means less weight. They are shorter and stiffer than an intermediate. The magazine can be shortened to a more attractive 3 shot version and the trigger guard tastefully contoured. They are also about $200 cheaper than a Mexican. The striker mechanism can be replaced with a M93 style using a shortened firing pin. This would give you access to aftermarket safeties. The bolt stop can also be replaced with a M93 type.

While that's certainly an interesting idea, I want to stay W/a 98 action. It's kinda like hot rodding a small block chevy.

I have lots of spare parts including some Timney Sportsman triggers that I bought when they were on sale a while back.

Not only that, but like the SB Chevy, parts for 98s are plentiful & cheap. Since my part procurment process incurs snapping up bargains when I can, staying W/a 98, even if the initial investment in a Mexi might be a little higher, will offset the initial cost somewhat.

I did some history search on Gunbroker for "Mexican Mauser" & found that the actions have gone for just a bit over $200. The one cited in previous posts has been listed several times & it is dropping in price W/each listing.

Upon further thought though, I might opt for a 257 Roberts on a petite classic sporter stock in lieu of a 7x57 Mannlicher.

A 257 would allow a stiffer barrel on a thin profile & the petite sporter stock would further reduce weight.

Turkish mausers are small ring, and 98, and cheap.

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Originally posted by Bobster:


Here is one another poster did:

That's a nice job, nice rifle. Interesting.

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Originally posted by papapaul:
Turkish mausers are small ring, and 98, and cheap.

Turkish mausers are large ring. Some have the small shank (small ring sized) barrel threads.

I considered taking a LR small shank action & grinding the front receiver ring down to small ring diameter, but that would still be a long action & no the so called "intermediate length" Turks are intermediate in the magazine only, not the over all length of the action. They are not the same OAL as the Intermediate length VZ500 & M48 actions which share similar screw center length W/the small ring 93, 96 & 98 Mexican actions.

BTW: I bought that 1910 Mexican Mauser action ob Gunbroker referenced above.

No mater what you do to a Turk, it will never be a true small ring 98 like the Mexican Mausers.

Except for the Kurz, the Mexican is the only small ring intermediate 98.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=211765982

SN removed?

Looks to me that the SN is readable on the left side of the front ring.

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Originally posted by ikesdad:
Looks to me that the SN is readable on the left side of the front ring.

That's what I see.

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Originally posted by craigster:
Do you really think the stuff on Gunbroker is secret?

No, gunbroker is not a secret. But individual listings are a secret to the vast readers of this board. How many readers here knew about that listing before the link was psoted? Very, very few.

for folks who are always shopping for actions, many of whom do so due to a lack of funds and are only able to build rifles if they can get deals on all of the major pirces, posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

That statement had me wondering. I read it that all markings were intact except the serial number which had been removed. Looking at it you can see that all markings have been removed except the serial number, which is present. Perhaps a comma or semi-colon were in order there!

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posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a

I totally disagree. There are two parties involved with a sale like this, and why shouldn't the seller be afforded the opportunity to get the best price possible? Widening the market by advertising is hardly a " shitty thing to do".

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No, gunbroker is not a secret. But individual listings are a secret to the vast readers of this board. How many readers here knew about that listing before the link was psoted? Very, very few.

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You know this to be factual?

I ckeck Gunbroker from time to time,(wasnt a secret to me), but I almost always check out ARclassifieds. The only problem I have with AR is I'm always late to say "Ill Take it". Seems I logged in an hour to late! I wouldnt say its "shitty"...at least here I dont have to have a credit card on file.

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Originally posted by airgun1:
That statement had me wondering. I read it that all markings were intact except the serial number which had been removed. Looking at it you can see that all markings have been removed except the serial number, which is present. Perhaps a comma or semi-colon were in order there!

This is the "correct" way to do it:

1910 Mexican Mauser with all marking, except SN, removed.

I like this way better because it is more clear:

1910 Mexican Mauser with all marking (except SN) removed.

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:

No, gunbroker is not a secret. But individual listings are a secret to the vast readers of this board. How many readers here knew about that listing before the link was psoted? Very, very few.

for folks who are always shopping for actions, many of whom do so due to a lack of funds and are only able to build rifles if they can get deals on all of the major pirces, posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

No harm done guys.

If you look cloesly @ the link, You will see that I "won" the action (I use the same username there as here) & got it for a few $$$ less than my maximum bid price & not much more than then starting bid price..

LINK TO MEXICAN MAUSER ACTION ON GUNBROKER

I'm a little late, but do you know how to search completed auctions on gunbroker? You have to be logged in to get the option. It helps, as you can see what the market thinks the price is, not just sellers who have little incentive to list a gun at a reasonable price (no listing fees.)

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Originally posted by bja105:
I'm a little late, but do you know how to search completed auctions on gunbroker? You have to be logged in to get the option. It helps, as you can see what the market thinks the price is, not just sellers who have little incentive to list a gun at a reasonable price (no listing fees.)

Yes, I did that & found that the minimum price paid for a Mexican Mauser was $205 & it was a somewhat rough action in original condition.

I felt that this action was worth the asking price & I onlt had to bid a few $$$ more that the opening bid.

Considering it has had the crest cleaned up, has very nice (original) bottom metal & has a nice pleasing aftermarket handle, I feel like i did OK.

Not trying to hijack, but Wildcat, where were you planning to get a full length stock for the Mex? FWIW I recently picked up a 1910 at a gun show and wanted to do the exact same thing. It's a full milsurp rifle. The action is nice-no pitting-but the barrel is crap in the grooves. I paid 3 for it. Seems you did okay. I haven't been able to find a 90% inlet full length and can't afford a real stockmaker to do it.
Ron

If you backed up to post #9 & you would find this.

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
Upon further thought though, I might opt for a 257 Roberts on a petite classic sporter stock in lieu of a 7x57 Mannlicher.

A 257 would allow a stiffer barrel on a thin profile & the petite sporter stock would further reduce weight.

As far as a full length stock?

Great american American Gunstocks has full length stocks available for a decent price.

Many are critical of them, but my experience has been OK. Nothing to write home about, but I got my $$$ worth from them, no more, no less.

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am wanting a small ring, small shank, intermediate length action to build a lightwieght 7X57 on a Mannlicher stock.

Why not rethink and take a look at a g.33/40 action.
Do a search here on AR and see if you can find some photos of ForrestB's g.33/40 action with the Mannlicher stock in 7 x 57 that was built by Duane Wiebe. It is a true masterpiece!!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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am wanting a small ring, small shank, intermediate length action to build a lightwieght 7X57 on a Mannlicher stock.

Why not rethink and take a look at a g.33/40 action.
Do a search here on AR and see if you can find some photos of ForrestB's g.33/40 action with the Mannlicher stock in 7 x 57 that was built by Duane Wiebe. It is a true masterpiece!!

1. Because a G33/40 would be even harder to find & probably more expensive.

2. I already have a 1910 Mexican Mauser action bought.

3. The G40/33 is a full length action & the shorter length 1910 Mexi would make for a POTENTIALLY lighter rifle.

4. If you had read all my posts in this thread you would have found that I am now thinking along the lines of a 257 Roberts on a petite classic sporter stock. Furthermore, I might even opt for a 6mm Remington in lieu of the 257 Roberts.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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am wanting a small ring, small shank, intermediate length action to build a lightwieght 7X57 on a Mannlicher stock.

Why not rethink and take a look at a g.33/40 action.
Do a search here on AR and see if you can find some photos of ForrestB's g.33/40 action with the Mannlicher stock in 7 x 57 that was built by Duane Wiebe. It is a true masterpiece!!

That's kinda stupid. Do you think if Duane built the same rifle using a Mexican 1910 it would be inferior?

G33/40's are very hard to come by. Whereas the SR Mexicans pop up much more frequently. Lastly, while some do prefer a 7x57 on a standard length action it was designed for an intermediate like the Mexican.

I built more than a few last year mostly into 6.5x55's.

ZLR

No, I don't think that. I am sure that whatever Duane builds would be fine. I just mentioned the name of the builder of a very fine rifle. Could have been anybody.

And I wasn't aware that the g.33/40 actions were as scarce as the mexican actions. I have owned both types of actions and it seems to me the g.33/40s were lighter than the Mexicans.

I think you ought to be a bit careful about calling someone stupid before you know what was intended.

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Marc_Stokeld: posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

What guy? Thought I was doing Wildcat a favor. If you had your eye on it, you should have bid more.

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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Marc_Stokeld: posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

What guy? Thought I was doing Wildcat a favor. If you had your eye on it, you should have bid more.

hard on the seller? no, its not, as he will get more attention ...

OH.. hard on the guys trying to get a "Deal" .. tough

I, for one, appreciate Forrest calling out auctions on actions that look interesting. Amazing, he gets called out for doing someone a favor. Ridiculous.

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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Marc_Stokeld: posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

What guy? Thought I was doing Wildcat a favor. If you had your eye on it, you should have bid more.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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Marc_Stokeld: posting specific listings here on AR is a real shitty thing to do to a guy.

What guy? Thought I was doing Wildcat a favor. If you had your eye on it, you should have bid more.

hard on the seller? no, its not, as he will get more attention ...

OH.. hard on the guys trying to get a "Deal" .. tough

Everyone should settle down.

Turns out, fla3006 is a friend of the seller of the 1910 Mexi.

I can understand him posting his friends auction since he had no odea that I was already watching that particular item.

Yes I was a bit concerned that someone that had seen the link he posted might bid the price up to more than I was willing to spend, but that didn't happen.

If someone hadn't bid the $295 opening bid, I probably would have waited for the action to be listed again @ a lower price.

It has been on the site for some time. Originally it was listed W/a barrel, then it was listed several times as the action alone @ $349.00. I think this last auction was the 1st time it was listed @ a $295 starting bid.

Everything turned out well as far as I'm concerned & now I have four M98 actions to play with not counting the 2 complete M98 rifles I have.

Right now I have the 1910 Mexi, a VZ500, a "42" coded ('39-'41 vintage)Oberndorf 98K & a '44 J P Saeur & Sohn 98K.

Now I need to decide which of the intermediate length actions, the 1910 Mexi or the VZ500, will be a 6.5X55 & whether to build a 257 Rob or 6mm Rem on the other.

I'm beginning to lean towards 6mm Rem as the 257 Rob is too close to the 6.5X55. That would leave me W/a trio of intermediate length mausers chambered in 6mm Rem, 6.5X55 & 8X57.

Damn, I see a 1.5mm "gap" in there. Looks like I need to get a M48 Yugo to do a 7X57 to fill it.

I don't believe I called you stupid, rather your statement.

Like I said, regardless of who builds it, the end result using either action would be practically the same.

All else equal, the Mexican action resulting in a slightly shorter rifle overall.

Personally, if I know that someone from the forum is bidding on something I might be considering, I'll back off and not counter.