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| Thanks for the advice . I'm leaning towards a .300 after noticing that that's the caliber of choice by a lot of shooters at Palma. Also there's a near by range with 300 and 1000 yards to answer a previous question. |
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| They did some impressive shooting at the Creedmore range using 45-70 up to 45-120. Jim
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| Yeah arkypete, get the ol' smoke poles on the firing line. The 45-120 only has 3x the wind drift and 6.5x the drop as a zippy 155 Berger from a 30-06 at 1000yds.
How bad's the accuracy after 50-60 rounds of that saltpeter fouling?
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| quote: Originally posted by jpl:
Yeah arkypete, get the ol' smoke poles on the firing line. The 45-120 only has 3x the wind drift and 6.5x the drop as a zippy 155 Berger from a 30-06 at 1000yds.
How bad's the accuracy after 50-60 rounds of that saltpeter fouling?
Or are you just poking fun?
JPL; I'm having fun. It is something to consider what those old guys did 100 plus years ago. Consider it took over a 100 years for Carlos Hathcock to break Billy Dixon's record kill shot. Jim
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| quote: Originally posted by Alaskan101:
Thanks for the advice . I'm leaning towards a .300 after noticing that that's the caliber of choice by a lot of shooters at Palma. Also there's a near by range with 300 and 1000 yards to answer a previous question.
I am not sure where you are but, If you are interested in actually shooting a match at distance--Go to akrifleclub.com There you will find our match schedule. We shoot mid-range matches at Ft. Richardson. We shoot 300,500 and 600 yards. If the military ever gets sequestration figured out, we will go to Ft. Greely for a weekend in June, July and August. We shoot at 800,900 and 1000 yards. Each distance consists of sighters plus 20 shots for score. Our web site will have the 2014 schedule plus all the persons to contact for information. Come shoot with us. Craig |
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| If you go to a 1,000 yd. F-Open class shoot there will be more 284W than anything else. 1 in 9 twist shooting 180 gr. bullets, normally Bergers, necked-up Lapua brass and Russian primers if you can find them, I've mostly used CCI 200's. 284W won the F-open national championship less than a month ago. 3 of the top 6 shooters were shooting 284's. I started with a Savage #12 F-Class rifle in 6.5x284. It shot very well for a factory produced rifle. When I shot out that barrel (900-1,000) rds. I re-barreled to 284W. I'm very pleased with it. It's not a $4,000.00 match rifle but it shoots very well. My scores keep getting better. Some shooters are claiming much better barrel life out of the 6.5x284 by shooting H-1000 instead of H-4831sc or H-4350. 308 is the only caliber allowed in Palma matches. If you want to shoot Palma Matches you have to get a 308. Properly set-up the 308 will shoot extremely well at 1,000 yds. The 185 Berger is a favorite bullet of F/TR shooters at 1,000. Palma shooters have to shoot the Palma bullet.
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| I shot Palma matches for several years and understood that it was not required that you shoot the 155 Palma in those matches. I did numerous times but know that others shot all kind of bullet weights. Overseas I understand that the so called Palma bullet is required but from my experience not enforced here. My favorite load was the Sierra 190MK w/ Lapua brass, Fed. 210M,and 42.2grs of IMR4064. 30" Krieger barrel w/1-12 twist and they stayed super sonic and bucked the wind very well. Would clean the 800yd target(if you don't clean that one you are in for a bad day,) dropped 2-4 points at the 900yd and then would drop same amount for the 1000yd target so on good day would end up with a score of 440-444 out of possible of 450. For some reason that 900yd target was always a tough one for me. In those days my scores were considered good ones, but the crown I was shooting with were always few points higher. Iron sights only, sling/mat, the Palma matches at 8,9,& 1000yds. is definitely a real test of the rifle, but more so of the shooter. It's a challenge. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Instructor:
I shot Palma matches for several years and understood that it was not required that you shoot the 155 Palma in those matches. I did numerous times but know that others shot all kind of bullet weights. Overseas I understand that the so called Palma bullet is required but from my experience not enforced here. My favorite load was the Sierra 190MK w/ Lapua brass, Fed. 210M,and 42.2grs of IMR4064. 30" Krieger barrel w/1-12 twist and they stayed super sonic and bucked the wind very well. Would clean the 800yd target(if you don't clean that one you are in for a bad day,) dropped 2-4 points at the 900yd and then would drop same amount for the 1000yd target so on good day would end up with a score of 440-444 out of possible of 450. For some reason that 900yd target was always a tough one for me. In those days my scores were considered good ones, but the crowd I was shooting with were always few points higher. Iron sights only, sling/mat, the Palma matches at 8,9,& 1000yds. is definitely a real test of the rifle, but more so of the shooter. It's a challenge.
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| Instructor, my understanding is that, overseas, the ammo is provided to all the shooters ie. no custom ammo, handloads etc. Peter.
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| I like these...6br,6.5x284,308,300WSM,338RUM...
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| It's always been my understanding that Palma bullets were required at the Camp Perry matches. Maybe someone who has shot the Palma match at Camp Perry could chime in and clarify that.
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| I checked the NRA High Power Rules and the Palma bullet is not required in the USA. Shoot what you brought as long as it's 308 or 223.
velocity is like a new car, always losing value.
BC is like diamonds, holding value forever.
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