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Originally posted by Brice:
Three years ago I was preparing for a Marco Polo hunt in Kyrgyzstan, with my M700 7mm Rem Mag. Lilja barrel and many other modifications. I found the Amax to be the most accurate bullet, doing about .5" groups at 100 yds. At that time, Hornady did not provide any labeling or other notice that this was not a hunting bullet. I shot my ram at 140 yards after preparing and training out to 500. The shot was perfect and the ram hauled ass. We searched for hours, and only found him by dumb luck. So, if you are willing to risk a $30,000
shot on this bullet, be my guest. The wound looked like a pencil had been shoved through the animal.

After returning, I called Hornady and raised bloody hell. I mentioned that Sierra is very careful to note and label their bullets as to purpose. Hornaday didn't seem to care much.

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Originally posted by Brice:
Three years ago I was preparing for a Marco Polo hunt in Kyrgyzstan, with my M700 7mm Rem Mag. Lilja barrel and many other modifications. I found the Amax to be the most accurate bullet, doing about .5" groups at 100 yds. At that time, Hornady did not provide any labeling or other notice that this was not a hunting bullet. I shot my ram at 140 yards after preparing and training out to 500. The shot was perfect and the ram hauled ass. We searched for hours, and only found him by dumb luck. So, if you are willing to risk a $30,000
shot on this bullet, be my guest. The wound looked like a pencil had been shoved through the animal.

After returning, I called Hornady and raised bloody hell. I mentioned that Sierra is very careful to note and label their bullets as to purpose. Hornaday didn't seem to care much.

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Originally posted by Brice:
The POI was just behind the shoulder, through both lungs. The exit wound was about the same size as the entry, and there was no blood trail in the snow. The cheapest, crappiest cup and core bullet would have performed far better. Yes, I guess I didn't read the entire Hornady manual, but I still maintain that a bullet manufacturer has an obligation to describe the purposes of their products where reloaders are likely to see them.

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

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Originally posted by sevenmil:
ok, one more question for the forum. My new pet load is 58gr ADI 2213SC with the 162gr Amax in 7mm rem mag. As I am loading a bit lower than recommended ADI data, I am not sure what velocity these will travel, but I am guessing 2550-2600fps. Is this enough punch at these velocities for medium size game???

They'll do better a lower velocity than high in my experience anyway, rest assured that they will still open up mate!

I tried the 155gr Amax in my 30.06 at around 2780 fps( my sub600 yard target load in that rifle)on Fallow prickets and does a couple of seasons ago. I had shot this load extensively at Bisley and so was confident of any shot up to about 600 yards with.

I remember I sat up somewhere that I knew a long shot might be possible one night and of course a pricket stepped out at 110 yards.... I wanted to test the bullet so instead of necking him I waited for him to go broadside and held just behind the shoulder.

At the shot he looked very sick very quickly, normally with the 06 they run10-50 yards and tip over but this guy tottered about five steps and did a backflip, landing very dead on his back.

The gralloch showed no exit, total devastation to the lungs, the heart blown out as flat a pancake and copper and lead filings everywhere in the cavity. Further tests to 300 yards on a variety of animals showed the same willingness to expand, in fact one 250 yard fox's leg was found in a branch, five feet behind and a little above the spot where Charlie was standing at the time of the shot.

My conclusion was that it is not a general hunting bullet, one must stay away from bone at close range but that at extended range it would open up rather handily, even on smaller and "softer" game.

It depends on what you want to shoot with it and under what circumstances as to whether this bullet is a better idea than other "soft" softpoint options like the BT or even Speer BTSPs which are softer than their standard FB bullets.

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
...but noting that a few occasions where pencilling was diagnosed perhaps it could just be the copper base of the bullet exiting with devastation in-between.

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Just tested the amax 162gn in the field this morning with my seven mil rem mag ( feral goats). Either I missed two targets or as I suspect, I connected but the shots were complete pass throughs- very disappointing. These Amax bullets shoot bloody well, but as some previous members said, they aren't the best for hunting....

Looks like I'll be looking for another 160gn hunting bullet for the seven mil?????