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Good bye Art. If your last post is what you have to offer, no point in returning. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I have scopes with reticles in the first and second focal plane. Neither is foolproof. The Horus H25 reticle is wonderful if you have plenty of time to figure out exactly which grid line to hold for elevation, but often the windage adjustment has you holding on empty space. Other drawbacks? It is difficult to pick out small targets on the grid. As for the advantage of FFP, the entire grid becomes nearly invisible when you turn the power down. The problem with not dialing up with any scope is the wind - holdover reticles work great...until you need to hold between to vertical hash marks with a 2 MOA for the wind. | |||
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March Scopes do have excellent optics and magnification range, but IME they are not the equal of S&B in low light hunting situations to my eyes _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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jwp475, Not a problem. That is one reason there are several different brands. We all have different tastes and needs. My BR March requires a lens cap that cuts down the light in certain conditions. Don't use it all the time and my best low light scopes for hunting are the Swaro and my Zeiss. I will not claim they are better or worse than the S&B in low light as I have not had them side by side at the same time to do an honest test. | |||
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I have a Zeiss Davari 6X24X56 that is also an excellent scope in low light _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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artshaw, why are you such a unpleasant fellow? People here try to give legitimate advice and you're a huge jerk to anyone who doesn't agree with you. I gave MY experience from being around guys who shoot long ranges extremely accurately. I'll say it again, a Bushnell HDMR is the best dialing scope I have ever used, and if you paid any attention you'd realize quite a bit of competitors in long range tactical matches use it too. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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Tyler, Don't bait him up. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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The best money I have ever spent on optics is a top of the line Meopta scope. I can now see mirage that I could not see before. When I miss at long range, it isn't because I can't see the target, my W/E adjustments don't work, etc. - it is because of a four letter word: WIND. Yesterday I shot at 820 yards. The conditions were nearly calm, but my scope showed a slight L-R wind even though it was cloudy. I got set up to shoot, and decided to check once again just before the shot. Mirage was gone (and not because the wind was too strong). Held dead on instead of the 1 MOA hold I had been planning. I would rather have a great spotting scope and run of the mill rifle scope than a great rifle scope with a crap spotting scope. | |||
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AnotherAZ Writer, Your comment about a great spotting scope is definitely "right on" Admit that my experience with Long Range-NRA has been w/ "irons" but have not found most rifle scopes up to the task of determining mirage, wind, etc. equal to a quality spotting scope. "Old school" here and still use Kowa Mod.77 w/LER 25x lens, but should point out that the highest quality rifle scopes in my years of shooting has been mostly Leupold MK4 or older Weaver T series. Could well be that the more modern, sophisticated rifle scopes available today would be up to the task?? | |||
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Instructor: As you know when mirage is thick, you don't need a spotting scope to see it; you can see it through your scope. Shooting PDs in Wyoming on a summer day nearly always shows mirage. However, in AZ the air is so dry is rare to see mirage through a rifle scope. But, cranking the power to about 30 or 40 and then turning the focus to a point about halfway almost always allows me to see mirage against the out of focus background; lesser scopes didn't do that. Turning the focus really helps bring out the mirage; I tried doing that with a sidefocus rifle scope, but didn't work very well. BTW, love your reference to the old Weaver T models; they were the first scope I ever used that moved the reticle reliably. In fact, I think Redfield's inability to do that coupled with their 3200 series scopes did them in. But what do I know? | |||
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Exactly why I prefer S&B scopes the resolution is as good as the Swarovski 20X60X80 spotter _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I picked the Meopta after comparing the Swaro; no contest in terms of resolution. I notice I pick up mirage better with a Nightforce than a Leupold. But nothing picks it up better than a high quality 75 or 80 mm lens. Besides, to see it best you need to move it out of focus from the target. Yesterday was a perfect example. I saw no mirage at my 820 yard target through my scope, spotter or rifle. My anemometer said 4 mph. I twisted the focus of my scope so that it was focused about 300 yards; I could see faint mirage against the blurred background; it was nearly flat, so even though my anemometer said 4 mph, I held for 3 MOA with a .300 RUM. Shot was about 5 inches high, but nearly perfect for wind. I then shot my .308 with 4 MOA windage; shot was 5 inches high as well, but needed about 3/4 MOA more windage. In that case the of .308 shot, the wind was almost negligible on my anemometer. I have not found any riflescope to be as effective as a good spotter when it comes to picking up mirage. I think the very narrow range of focus is why; a rifle scope has a pretty wide range of focus. | |||
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A 5X25X56 S&B is very good at it IME _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Guys, So have any of you guys actually used the Leupold 30mm 3x18 with 50mm objective? My research shows it to have a super wide field of view and lighter weight than some of the other long range scopes. These things in my mind were a problem with the Nightforce I used. The leupold with it's wide FOV and moderate weight to my mind would make not only a good long range scope but an all around scope. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark, Have you looked at the Zeiss Conquest with the Z800 or z1000 reticules. Very easy to use once you set your rifle up with a chosen load and bullet wt, lighter than the higher end zeiss 30mm scopes. cheers Arjun | |||
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