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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Better practice is to click up and have a reticle with MOA ticks for windage.

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Originally posted by 7mmfreak:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Better practice is to click up and have a reticle with MOA ticks for windage.

I don't struggle with it. I shoot a Horus reticle for a living.

If you notice, I was mostly testing this scope's ability to dial since guys always bring up what your brought up by saying it is best to dial. This scope will do it and you can hold for wind. I disagree with you about MRAD vs MOA also. Either way, I prefer to hold with the Horus (I don't even have to shoot it to measure that, just measured it against the tall target test) as it never changes and dials can from scope to scope and over the life of a scope.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I don't know of any rangefinder that calculates holdover using mRads. If one does, then fine, that works. Even better if you use the metric system.
I run a range card on a wrist band so for me it doesn't matter. When shooting tactical matches you aren't always allowed a rangefinder at every stage.

I stand by my other criticisms. The reticle is too busy and too easy to line up on the wrong line. Sure, you can dial, but then why have the junk down below? On dark targets, it is just about impossible to pick up. And like I said, if you are not on a major elevation line, wind holdoff is a real issue.
You'll not convince me of the busy reticle. That was my first impression but after having used it across SW Asia and here in the States, for work and recreation, I find it to be extremely intuitive. I don't have issues with ending up on the wrong line, they are numbered. As for dialing, I did the test to prove the tracking ability of the scope not because I like to dial. They offer other reticles like the Mil-Dot where elevation and wind holds together don't eaily work. I don't find the reticle to be any harder to find on a dark target than any other crosshair.
I was a fan at first, but gave up for the reasons listed above. Nightforce NXS with a BR2 is a far superior solution...much faster too.
Every time I have shot a match with a scope I had to dial with (before I went to the Horus) my partner always finished faster. At the time I was shooting an NXS with a MOAR and another with a MIL-R.
As for dialing, I found just about any new scope is pretty reliable. Then again, I don't shoot junk. Me either.

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Originally posted by 7mmfreak:
Peter,

The tall target test allows you to verify the accuracy of your adjustments. Just because a scope is supposed to move your POI a certain distance per click doesn't meant that it does. That is to say that if you dialed on 10mils of elevation your might or might not truly get 10mils. By measuring the target out at exactly what you are supposed to get per interval (in my case I chose 1mil increments for a total of 10mils as that will get me to about 1000yds at my location in NC) you can verify that you are actually dialing on what you think you are dialing on. In this optic my average came out to be 1.006mils when I dial on a mil and that is almost exactly what it is supposed to be. There was always less than .03mil deviation during the test. At 10mils which would correspond to the longest range the error was .015 mils which at 1000yds would be .054" which might as well be nothing.

For repeatability (you could use the average of the tall target test) or you could use the return to zero test where I dialed on 10mils of elevation then back down to zero, left 5 then back to zero, right 5 then back to zero and fired to see if it would maintain a consistent zero after repeated adjustments. The only way I can think to improve on that would be to fire a single shot at each adjustment so that you had the return to zero group and a group at each location: up 10, left 5, and right 5. That however would have taken another 15 rounds of ammo and I didn't have that much of the Federal Gold Medal I was trying to use up.

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I don't know of any rangefinder that calculates holdover using mRads. If one does, then fine, that works. Even better if you use the metric system.
I run a range card on a wrist band so for me it doesn't matter. When shooting tactical matches you aren't always allowed a rangefinder at every stage.