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...okay one of these guys is giving me problems at my house...

do I just get one of theses from cabela's or is there a better plan?

http://www.cabelas.com/product...BSearch-All+Products

what is the best bait


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I bought mine at Tractor Supply and I imagine any farm type store have them.
So far this year I have caught 14 'coons and two possums & have learned to wire the bait under the trip pan or they just roll the trap over and claw it out. Bacon works just fine.
As we are in an area of the USF&W rabies eradication program I shoot them in the cage. and then dispose of the carcass.
The main difference in a black bear and a 'coon is size.
 
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ok, thanks


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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That cage trap will work just fine. If you have cats around use a sweet smelling bait such as strawberry jam, honey, or a marshmallo with some anise dripped on it. If you don't have cats around take a can of tuna fish or sardines and poke some small holes in it. Run a small length of rebar, 24" or so through the top of the cage to the bottom, this will alleviate the problem with the coon rolling the trap over. Coons are not that hard to catch, they are driven by their appetite and curiosity.
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thanks for the rebar tip


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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If you cant shoot where you are without a problem just drown them. After about ten minutes you can pull you trap back out of the water. You can just use an old tub, drum etc if not close to a water source. Very quiet and a fairly humane way to dispose of the pests as far as killing anything goes. Usually the neighbors are none the wiser and if they are that explanation is normally sufficient,


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22 short out of a remington 514...Phhtttt


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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No argument there. It just depends on what you have for neighbors. There are some who would make our lives miserable no matter what. Luckily I have had great neighbors for a long time. It wasnt allways that way. One bad one can make life real interesting. Even the 85 yr old 2 doors up is trapping out nuisance animals. We all support each others projects so life is good.


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Those traps work excellent, I have used tuna exclusively, I set the traps at dusk and whatever gets caught goes bye bye as far as I am concerned. I am currently in a chipmunk / squirrel population control mode right now, so far 12 chipmunks over the last week and 2 squirrels today


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We use a slice of apple. I take a little wooden skewer and stick it through the apple, then tape both sides of the skewer down to the trip plate. That means the bait will not move around if the trap is move and they have to mess with the bait on the trip plate to get the bait which set it off. Works well for me.


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Doesnt much matter if the racoon tips the cage over once its sprung - the door is spring loaded shut so he wont get out no matter which way up the cage is.

Bacon is good for all manner of neighbourhood "pests"


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We just throw in a handfull of dry catfood, by the time they look for all the pieces, they've stepped on the pan. Doesnt hurt to have a blue tarp handy by, if it's like most places with coons, you have a 50-50 chance of catching a skunk first. Keep the tarp pulled up to eye level and slowly walk up to the trap and place it over it, they usually wont spray that way. Load it into the truck, take it down the road to the neighbors property and shoot it there. Wink
 
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Doesnt much matter if the racoon tips the cage over once its sprung - the door is spring loaded shut so he wont get out no matter which way up the cage is.

Bacon is good for all manner of neighbourhood "pests"


So tell me, How many Raccoons do you have in New Zealand?


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My neighbor has good luck using bologna to trap raccoons & possums--our chihuahua got in there once--I'm sure glad he uses a live trap!


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+1 on the Sardines...works every time for me! dancing


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So tell me, How many Raccoons do you have in New Zealand?


I wondered how long before someone picked up on that ...

I have two Havahart collapsable racoon traps - and have not caught a single, solitary racoon. I am seriously considering seeking a purchase price refund due to false pretences.. Wink

However I have caught and "relocated" many wandering pussy cats , several chickens , a small dog and a whole lot of hedgehogs. Apart from the small dog , who was airmailed back over the fence , none of the others have every complained about the efficiency of the Havart cage....


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I trapped a bunch of coons when I worked on a large farm in SE Minnesota. I tried many baits and found that a boiled egg partially cracked produced the best results but I imagine that a coon would go for any easy meal.
 
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Thats the trap I use, we use octopus or sardines. The small cans you can buy from Goya products. The only danger would be skunks, but they are very docile and if you do things quietly you can let them out without any fuss.

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I use a small can of cat food for bait. I don't fully open the can, just crack the seal enough for the smell. Once the bait is rancid, a coon is about all you will catch--they eat anything. You probably know that bears and coons are closely related, so you are becoming a miniature bear hunter. The only problem with using the cat food for bait is the fear that someone that knows you will see you buying it and think you have a cat. I too catch skunks, but I'm lucky in that our animal control will come euthanize them on the spot. They just walk up to the cage and using a syringe on about a 3 foot stick, inject the skunk with something that puts it to sleep, they change needles and give it a dose of something and it never wakes up. One woman that had been doing that for about 10 years said she had been sprayed twice (she is real big and ugly) a much prettier smaller woman had 7 yrs experience and had never been sprayed. Moral of the story. I always hope they send the pretty one she is more fun to watch.
 
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i also use canned cat food and it works great. put a very small amount in front of the trap to give them a taste. i set my trap on my picnic table and leave the chairs in place. coons will use the chairs to climb up on the table but skunks are unable to do this. works well to eliminate a potentially smelly problem


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I too have had a raccoon problem lately. But the best thing I've found is my .17 HMR. A 17 grain bullet traveling at 2,550 feet per second usually solves the problem for a while.... dancing
 
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Muzza, I love the airmail trick. I will try it, is 8 feet high enough?
 
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69 - the height you can acheive is dictated by the size of the consignment ... Smiler

Obviously a chihuahua will attain greater heights than an obese Labrador or a Newfoundland or Chesapeake Bay Retreiver - and your back will thank you for the smaller ones too....

Just bear in mind that canines are not as agile as felines so the aerial delivery candidate likely wont land on his feet , and may sustain an injury in the touchdown. May just be better to pop him a 22 rf in the ear and deposit him in a rubbish bin more than 2 houses down the street . Obviously I will deny any knowledge of this conversation ..... dancing


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Caught my brother-in-laws cat in mine this morning-----wonder how long it will take him to miss it. I have already pre-warned him if they make it to my house they are mine. Its about 600 yds from his horse barn to my house and a few just cant resist all the rabbits we have here; since we don't have any cats.

What ever gets into mine is fair game. I like Rabbits, Grouse, Quail and Squirrels alot better than what eats 'em.

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I'm liking your thought processes mate . keep it up Wink


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Mike--if you live in town, try calling your animal control folks. They might have loaner traps and you wouldn't have to buy one. Any of the baits mentioned work fine--for 'coons, possums, skunks, neighbors cats, dogs (have caught all of these species in my yard).

Glad to read the re-bar tip--now I got 'em. Also, if you get the little cans of "bait" you can dig a small hole to put the can in, and set the trap on top. That way they can't get in, eat the bait w/o tripping the trap and leave.


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Do you really think any California County government functions....


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Whoops!!! Never considered that aspect--here in our little town they bring the traps to you, show you how to set them, and then come pick up the critters (except skunks).


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I once caught 35 racoons within 8 weeks. I used a Havahart trap and wired one end shut. I would use sardines and barely pop open the rolled lid and use a piece of wire and run it through the ring top of the sardine can and wire it to the back of the cage. Then I would pour a bunch of dog food into the cage as an attractant. I would wire the Havahart trap to a board on top of my deck. If they engaged the trap before I went to bed, I would go out and wire the door shut so the coon couldn't force the end open during the night. The next morning I would shoot the coon and get rid of the carcass. Not pretty but effective.
 
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I've noticed (regularly) that if you shoot an animal in a cage trap the blood smell will deter others from going in...even true for rats killed in smaller traps...best bet is to drown animal, or release it while standing behind trap w/loaded shotgun (If you live out in the countryside)
 
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Try on of these. . Coon Cuffs Plenty of YouTube video on how to use them.


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[quoteI've noticed (regularly) that if you shoot an animal in a cage trap the blood smell will deter others from going in...even true for rats killed in smaller traps...best bet is to drown animal, or release it while standing behind trap w/loaded shotgun (If you live out in the countryside)[/quote]

Different things for different parts of the country. I regularly catch coons around our deer feeders in traps that are bloody and have no bait in them. Trapping coons varies so much that there are no absolutes in my experience.


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