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Gentlemen- Will the 1 in 14 twist in my 250 Savage 99 stabilize an 87gr. spitzer? Thanks. SB Smith | ||
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Yes. I like the 87 grain Speer HotCore to deer and the 87 grain Speer TNT for coyotes, as they shoot to the same POA. For all varmint hunting, the 75 grain VMax or 75 grain Sierra HP are a sure bet. Jeff | |||
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The original run of Savage 99's have a 1:14 twist. It was with the 87gn bullet that the company made the first claim to have reached 3000fps from a factory round, hence the designation "250/3000". My 1:14 does very well with 75,87, and 100 gn bullets. Have not tried anything over 100. Aybody have experience with 1:14 twist and bullets over 100gns...?? Cheers, Don | |||
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Don: I tried haevier than 100-grain bullets in a 1:14 Model 99 I had about 10 years ago, and that gun was just barely stable with 100s. My current Savage 99 with 1:14 twist shoots best with Remington factory loads with 100-grain Corelokt bullets. I have yet to work up a really accurate 87-grain load, but that's because I just haven't had time. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Hey Bill..thanks for the reply re: heavier bullets. My best load thus far in my old 99 ( mfg. 1941)has been 33gn. WC846, CCI-200, and a 100gn Sierra JSP. Puts 5 into a group that measures right at 1" from 100 yds. Not "one-hole" precision, but plenty good enough for me and the smallisg Georgia Whitetail that have been taken with it. Cheers, Don | |||
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I have used Hornady 117 gr. round nose with good success on pigs in my old 99. 100 yd. bench accuracy is so so. However, it is more than sufficient when using the original iron sights. The bullet provided good penetration and knockdown. This is from not a few pigs, but many dozens of our "pygmy" species between 80 to 125 lbs. Geoff Shooter | |||
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I've always liked those Horn. 117's...next time I feel like getting the 99 out, I'll pick up a box and see what sort of load I can work up. My ranges down here are pretty short...only shot one deer @ 100 yds. most LOTS closer so "benchrest precision" isn't a big requirement. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, Don | |||
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I tried remington 120 gr in my 250 savage with 1 in 14 twist.The keyholed.It would hardly shoot 100 gr bullets very well.I finally sold it but want another one with 1 in 10 twist. | |||
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The round nosed Hornady 117 gr. helps with the slow twist 99's like mine. The longer 120 gr. pt. bullets don't feed well in the rotary magazine. Plus you have to seat the bullets deeply into the case to get the correct O.A.L. It's unfortunate that Savage discontinued the rotary magazine, probably to cut productions costs and went to the detachable mag. And, subsequently discontinued the entire rifle. Very typical of industry. When there is something good, it's soon discontinued for the "new improved" model. Geoff Shooter | |||
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The rotory magazine 99s required more hands-on work than Savage could afford to spend and still offer the rifles at a price people were willing to pay. If Savage could have turned an acceptable profit level by selling the Model 99, they would probably still be selling them. It was all about the bottom line and the 99s just didn't produce as much profit margin as the 110 series. Jeff | |||
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No, not necessarily. It is dependent upon ogive length. Nosler has a note in their manual stating that NONE of their .25-caliber slugs will stabilize in a 1-14" twist due to ogive length. Incuding their 85 grain bullet. | |||
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This is old post but I am older guy [63] who has experience with 250-3000 sav model 99 going back to dad in depression...also 300 sav.. back in depression dad said the 87 gr bullets knocked deer down better than 100gr. I see that also today with his same guns.. I use 87 gr Speer with #3031 powder,cci 200,rem shells overall lenght is 2.510 with that bullet ..factory overall is 2.450 remington shells.. When we tried spire point bullets they would not shoot well. my 250 is 1-14 twist even tho its a model 99 s made in 50s...out of that 250 I bet 50 deer have been shot .. nice to see interests in the 250-3000 model 99 it to this day is my favorite gun for whitetail deer ... | |||
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I have found the 85 gr Nosler to be a great bullet in the 1-14 twist Savage 99. You can get a bit over 3000 fps with the right powder. | |||
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The early 1x14 twist 250s were barreled specifically for the 87 gr. bullet at a quoted 3000 FPS in the 99 Savage... Many 250s however will shoot flat base 100 gr. bullets, and a few will shoot heavier 117 gr. flat base round nose bullets...Ive never owned one that would shoot the long ballistic tips or spitzer boat tail bullets. If one wants to know if their 1x14 twist will shoot 100 gr. bullets. try the Speer 100 gr. flat base spritzer bullet first..if it will then go from there. If you want to shoot a 117 gr bullet in a 1x14 shoot the 117 Hornady flat base round nose 25-35 bullet..some will, some won't.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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You are right I had very bad results with Hornady spire point bullets in my 250-3000 with 1/14 twist ...They seem to like only SPEER/SIERRA bullets ..my gun shoots 87/100 grain bullets well.. I like 87 gr most for deer hunting ..WAYBACK reloaders would tell me when I first started Jin do not use spire point bullets in 250-3000 with 1-14 twist they rec SPEER at that time... | |||
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Scott did you measure your twist the 99,s in 250 vary quite a bit on the ones I have measured I have seen from 1-13.5 to 1-14.5 on what was supposed to be 1 in 14 twist. The Speer 87 gr is one of the shorter bullets and should work great. The shorter 100 gr like Speer will sometimes shoot well also. kk alaska | |||
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Speer shoots well out of my 250-3000 from back to 1962 when it was easy to try a lot of different bullets .. WORST bullets were those Spire pointed bullets like Hornadys..Nice thing about 87 gr loading it stays in neck not down in shoulder ..My 100 gr Speer shot just as good but bullet was down in shoulder do to seating length with lever action model 99 but no problem i just like it in neck more .. BUT I like Speer bullets because years ago you only had few on shelves ,you never saw sierras or nosler it was SPEER/HORNADY you saw most locally .. Rem core lock bullets work well on whitetail deer do to factory using them and they work good... My view is what worked on deer...What shot best out of my 250-3000 ..Winchester factory shells were worst we would not buy them back in 60s ..REm shells were best .Hornady were bad also .The only factory shells you could buy and go to range and shot well was rem shells and they used core -lock bullets.... | |||
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Savage model 99 never had any good results over 100 gr ..Shot a lot back in 60s when it was cheap to shoot ..Best bullets I had out of mine was SPEER ..Worst was Hornady spire point bullets..Terrible...Some said 1 inch groups at 100 with 87/100 gr I touched the holes with my 250-3000 at 100 yds..I have not reloaded in 30 years where did time go ... | |||
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Id be interested what method was used to come up with 1x13.5 and 1x14.5 on Savage barrel twists?? BTW, unbeknown to many, Savage produced a small number of 250 barrels in a 1x12 twist back then, but only for a short time, they are relitivly rare. I never owned one, but have seen a couple. Ive only had one 1x14 twist rifle that I couldn't make shoot with 100 gr. bullets, and it was a 1950s early fwt. One of the early ones that had a 1x14 twist and that gun was the transition era to the 1x10. A few were put together with left over barrels..That said the 1950 FWT was the best 99 ever built IMO.. Bottom line is the 250-3000 case is so damn accurate that one can play with it and make any of them shoot, some require more work and patience than others..Ive made Noslers work in 1x14 twist on many occasions even though the Nosler Reloading Manual states in bold black print that their bullets won't work in 1x14 twists..I have never been able to make the Balitic tips, any boattail over 100 grs perform..Every gun is an individual unto itself, so you have to work up loads and experiment with any twist, make or model..I have read many articles where the scribe, some of fame, declared the 99 was good for 2.5 inch groups which tells me he never worked with one. I have never had one that wouldn't shoot an inch to an inch and a half.. Funny thing is I have to say the same thing about bolt actions rifles, lots of them didn't shoot out of the box, but a little handloading work cured that..So much BS out there, I have a book by a well know scribe, that's wrought with such BS.. Ive shot a lot of deer, and a 5 or 6 elk with 100 gr. factory WW Silvertips and Corelokts in my youth, as did my dad who shot over 50 elk with that rifle.. I found them to be excellent in every respect. My only advise is its probably a good idea to keep your shots under 200 yards. We did back then, as dad could get pretty upset over spending a day tracking a wounded elk, and you really didn't want to upset dad. I love the Savage 99 and the 250-3000 caliber. Grew up with it. Its the best saddle gun I know of as its flat and short and easy on the leg. takes a scope well, accurate..Today my elk rifle when Horse back is a rare 99EG in .308 Win., deer on horseback is the 250. walking? I use a Ruger 77 ultra light in 250-3000 with 110 gr. Accubonds.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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It is nice to see interests in model 99 and 250-3000 sav ..Locally the 250 is one most are after...When they see mine they run over and say is that 250? | |||
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Yes, indeed. It was designed precisely to stabilize that bullet at 3,000 fps MV. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Best 100gr I've found to work is the Remington corelock. | |||
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Being I like 87 gr speer over 100 gr in my 250-3000 for deer what do you folks like in your 250 on deer?pro/cons of lighter bullet vrs heavier bullet on deer if you have opinion... I have not had Buck run on me with 87 gr bullet if i put it behind shoulder or in neck ..or the 100 gr BUT dad said 87 knocks them down quick and I am seeing that also.. | |||
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Here is how I measured twist. Did it 3 or 4 times to check . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdoCNZBlRGQ kk alaska | |||
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How do you check twist in lever action model 99 that you cannot go in from receiver?Thanks | |||
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Pull rod through with a patch from breech to muzzle and count turns. kk alaska | |||
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I've successfully shot a couple hundred 85 grain .257" Nosler BTs in a variety of 1-14" ROT 250-3000 rifle, a 1950s vintage 99F, a couple of 1920s vintage 1920s, and a 1980s vintage Winchester/USRA 70 Lightweight Carbines. BTW, If you're going to quote my posts, I'd appreciate if you'd quote the entire post and maintain the context. | |||
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All these years from 60s I thought I had 1-10 twist on my model 99s 250-3000 I did the cleaning rod test with tape and guess what?It is 1-14 twist ..Great because I like 87 gr speer on my Buck hunting .. Did any of you do the CERROSAFE stuff you pour into your chamber to make mold of the chamber?I would like to do that if you feel its ok?Thanks.. | |||
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I just did mine with piece of tape on cleaning rod straight up and tight patch.Pushed it to breech and marked rod at muzzle ..Then pulled slowly towards muzzle watching tape until it made 1 full turn .. Then measure from muzzle to mark you put on rod..IT WAS DEAD ON 14 INCHS .. THANKS for tip...... | |||
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Yes thats how I measure it , if you measure several 99,s you might find the twist varied. John Barness wrote about as I recall. Which caused me to measure the twist on 4 99,s in 250 Savage. kk alaska | |||
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I went thru all my old reloading manuals usually you find they tested a mauser or rem rifle to develop loads.1 manual it showed they used savage model 99 in 250 and 300.. I would like to put the info on here if we could but not good at doing that. I could make copy and send it to one of you folks that could put it on here. you can PM me with your address etc and will send it too you or I can e-mail it too you ..Thanks.. | |||
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Ive have used both 87 and 100 gr. bullets, ocassionally a 117 HOrn flat base round nose in my present take down 250 savage with a 1x14 twist and this one is an amazing rifle, incredibly accurate with about any load... I have used many different bullets over the years in the 250 for deer and elk..I found the 100 gr. WW silvertip and the Rem Corelokt to be excellent killers on deer and elk if you kept the range within reason, for me that's about 200 yards max on elk and twice that on deer..As to the 87 gr. bullets I use many different makes on deer and they are quick killers if you stick one behind a deers shoulder..I have used the amazing GS Customs 80 gr. bullet on deer and one cow elk, it blew thorugh the elk leaving a 25 cent exit hole and an instant kill, at a lazered 80 yards. I have found most bullets work well in the 250 Savage, probably because the perform to perfection because the bullets perform best at velocity below 2800 FPS in almost all calibers. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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1950 was the turning point with the 99F, and it came with a 1x10 twist, HOWEVER, with some of the early ones Savate used left over parts and old new 1x14 twist barrels. They are rare but Ive owned one, it was as new, and I sold it for big bucks, the 1950s 99F in 250-3000 and 358 fetch a pretty price and the 1x14 twists bring another premium Im told..Mine did. One thing to always remember about Savage 99s, never say never, the did a lot of funny stuff..and have a very complicated History from the beginning to the end. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have a friend that bought an old Savage 99 in .250-3000, located a Lyman Alaskan scope for it and mounted it. He wanted it because that is the same type rifle setup he grew up hunting with. The rifle had a 1:14 twist barrel. The bore was a bit worn but looked usable. He tried shooting 100 grain bullets in it and the rifle shot horribly. Not focusing on the twist issue but believing that the issue was the worn bore, he located another barrel (with a 1:14 twist) and had the rifle rebarreled. The new barrel shot horribly as well. It then dawned on him that the twist could be problem. He pulled the remaining 100 grain bullets and loaded the rounds with 87 grain bullets. The rifle shot beautifully, very accurate. Mike | |||
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If you take your time like Ray said you can get model 99 250-3000 to shoot heavier bullet in 1-14 twist.. my model 99 f or s shoots 100 gr well. Why because i use speer/sieera bullets. the Hornady spire point bullets in 100 gr and up not so good.. my favorite powder is 3031 but others work too like 4895/4023.. put in a 117 gr bullet it keyholed with 1-14 twist.. | |||
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So stay with bullets that are not spire pointed...loaded 50 years ago ,knew very little took bullets and they touched each other in 87/100 gr speers.. | |||
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Notice Ray said 117 GR ROUNDNOSE not SPIRE POINT.You can get the roundnose to work in 250-3000 and it can be seated out more towards lands and still chamber well in mag .I never tried it after so bad results with spire point bullets in heavy weights but I talked to some like Ray that said roundnose worked.. | |||
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All the same, if I had to pick one bullet for everything and feel secure it would work on deer and elk, it would be the 85 gr. GS Customs HP HV bullet..Its a monolithic bullet, and I would think the Barnes X bullet in that weight would work the same...slip one of those puppies behind the leg of a deer or cow elk and you have made meat on the spot..Have never used that bullet on a bull elk, but it should work up to 200 yards..If Im hunting big bulls, I'll just stay with my .338 win. and 225 or 250 gr. Noslers.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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1950's wasn't the turning point and you'll find that they too have 1-14" twists. | |||
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