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Chuck-Thats OK all my saws packed a 28-36 inch bar.I just liked the feel of the Husky over the Stihl just like some rifle stocks.They do get heavy after a few hours of packin.That's why most Sawyers only work about 6 to 8 hours tops.
The Stihl is a great saw and it's the only one I kept.It was a back-up.I have a baby one I just cut meat with.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Stihl at all.All your points on parts and stuff are right if you don't live in an area where alot of saws are used.

Best of luck.Jayco.
 
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I wouldnt hesitate to buy a Husky either if it was in a area where they are dominant. A bar that big is more saw than I want to handle. I like the 026 pro because its light and powerfull but I hear great things about the 357 XP Husky as well. The problem for me is when you tear one down on a tail gate and drop parts in the dirt at deer camp. I need to be able to run into the nearest town and buy parts. In fact if I buy a bigger saw in the future I might buy a Husky just so I can say I have owned both and do my own comparisons. I bought myself a Oregon chain bench grinder for Christmas No more filing chain. When one gets dull I just pop another on.
 
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Well we have 3 Stihls- a 29, 39, and 66. Also have a homelite that makes a good loaner saw. Just bought a small husky last fall, a little bit smaller than the 29 but don't remember the number. It has been a good saw, think I might get a 39 sized husky next. One problem with stihl is you can only get parts through a dealer and not online or mail order. That not only gets expensive but when the oiler went out on the 39 last winter I had to wait for the shop to get the weekly delivery, rather than have someplace overnite one to me. However, I do agree with the suggestion about buying whatever brand the local stores carry.
 
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A bench grinder is worth every pennie if you use them alot.Very-very few people can sharpen as good with a file as a grinder.It's like slicing butter with a grinder.I used to use a 3 sided flat file to duplicate the grinder or touch up on ground chains.When St.Helens blew,the ash was hell on chains and saws and the people useing them.Used to fall a tree and you had to shut the saw down to let the dust settle before continueing.

Ahhh the good old days.Take care.Jayco.
 
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Hawaiian_Hunter,

I did not take it personally, but evidently you did! Your comments about the Taylor Knock Down number illustrate exactly how little field experience you have. Taylor's number is HIGHLY SPECIALIZED and applicable only to a very small number of rifle cartridges, shooting solid projectiles, at the HEADS OF ELEPHANT ! It is meant to estimate how effectively a cartridge/bullet combination will "knock-out" an ele with a near missed brain shot! Gunwriters over the years seem to have misunderstood this and now try to use the number for practically every caliber, this is grossly wrong application.

When you take Taylor's number out of it's context it is MEANINGLESS! As my examples with the 12 gauge slug and the incredibly slow 8 bore where meant to illustrate! I have seen 12 gauge slugs literally bounce off of bison skulls at 40 yards! The bison, in question, did not seem to be too impressed with that Brenneke slug's TKO number of 88 though. The hard cast 45-70 that did kill him though (Rancher's rifle) had a more lasting impression, even though the Taylor knock down number was in the weeds, relatively speaking.

Regarding your comments about penetration. I suggest you go through this thread and CAREFULLY read ALL my previous posts. I think you will find that I am not a big fan of over penetration.

Gentlemen,

Thank you very much for the comments on the saws. I grew up around Stihl and a monster Dayton (72" bar, very old saw as it dates to the late 40s/early 50s) chainsaws. I was interested to know if Stihl was still the "best" as it once was considered (Weyerhauser once used them exclusively, if I recall correctly). I had heard the same excellent comments about the Husky, but you can never trust a salesman.

I can get both around these parts, as I have to go to a specialty shop to get either. Chuckwagon, when did Lowes start carrying Husky? They had Echo and Poulan, the last time I was there. The Stihl is somwhat cheaper than the Husky, so I think I will go Stihl, all things being equal. I am thinking 029 with 20" bar, sound like a good plan?

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I dont know when they started to carry them but I personaly would not buy a saw from Lowes. If you need warranty service it is much easier to be able to take it to the dealer you bought it from. Like so many other things it is often harder to find a good dealer than it is to decide which model or brand you like. Handle both and see which you like best. Either is a good choice from what I hear if you can readily get parts and service for either. I have always owned Stihl.
 
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ScottS, I never meant for you to get all bent out of shape. You have a habit of doing this when a poster has a different point of view from you. Obviously you feel there's just one truth, one point of view, and you are the keeper of both. You are confusing Taylor with Bell. Taylor developed this simple cartridge rating system to gauge a given cartridge's potential to stop a living, breathing animal. Mr. Taylor was aware of the fact that game is killed by tissue destruction, resulting in blood loss, and that tissue destruction occurs through bullet penetration and expansion. TKO value numbers are not highly specialized, or meaningless just because you say so. Your claims are backed up only by your word which is loosing more, and more credibility with each of your posts. You claim to know more than Gunwriters over the years? My field experiance has been stated, what's yours truthfully? Shooting a Bison in the skull with a slug, and shooting a pig with a 22LR shows a total lack of field experiance as well as total disrespect for the animal you hunt. You better read my posts again, and stop assuming what people think. You are reading in alot more than what's actually there, and getting all defensive for no real reason. Like I said before TKO is something to take into consideration, a comparative value, not something to soley judge a cartridge performance on, the true test of cartridge/load can only be proven in the field on living flesh, blood, and bones.

Jayco, as far as chainsaws, when I lived in central Idaho in the early 80's there was always a debate among the commercial loggers as to which was a better saw Husquevana or Stihl, with faction split about 50/50 in McCall/Cascade area. I personally prefered the Stihl because that's what I was familiar with from here in Hawaii. Presently commericial loggers here are starting to lean toward the Shindaiwa. My crew here has both Stihl, and Shindaiwa, and swear by both.
 
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H-Hunter-What were you doing in McCall-Cascade?I lived there and in the area for 30 some years.Just sold our house in Cascade last year.My wife and I were the first couple to get married in the new Yellowpine church 17 years ago.She also was a police officer in McCall.My friend in high school was the son of the Cabarton owners (No Names)and that was my very first logging experience on summer break as a junior in high school.McCall was a small town and I am sure we must have met or know of each other if you were working in the woods.

Best of luck.Jayco
 
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H-Hunter-What were you doing in McCall-Cascade?I lived there and in the area for 30 some years. Just sold our house in Cascade last year.My wife and I were the first couple to get married in the new Yellowpine church 17 years ago.She also was a police officer in McCall.My friend in high school was the son of the Cabarton owners (No Names)and that was my very first logging experience on summer break as a junior in high school.McCall was a small town and I am sure we must have met or know of each other if you were working in the woods.


Best of luck.Jayco




Aloha Jayco, I was in business partnership with a friend here in Hawaii who was moving to Idaho for a fresh start so I decided I would do the same, figured living in "America" would be a good experiance. My favorite movie was "Jeremiah Johnson", and I guess I wanted to be a Mountain Man.
I was just married 6 months when I moved there in '81. Lived on the street behind "The Woodsman" Cafe renting from the Woods family. The business deal fell through so wound up working at Payette Lakes Lumber Company. My wife worked at "Shaver's" market in the bakery with June Beckweath, you couldn't miss her she was the only non white gal in the whole town. Did some firewood cutting up Brundage Mountain, Tamaracks the best as you know. Some great hunting, and fishing. Used to catch Kokanee, and rainbows in the Payette river, and yellow perch in the Cascade Reservoir. Also fished the Salmon River in Riggins for Steelheads. Hunted Elk north of Burgdorf, even got to see 3 Mountain Lions up close, and personal while pre-season scouting. Drove out to Yellowpine a couple times fishing the stream along the way as well as the small lakes like Hum Lake. First time we ever saw snow too. Used to go into "Lardos" for a drink after work once in a while. Had to drive 30 miles south to Cascade to go see a movie. It was an adventure, made several great friends, fond memories though I can't say I miss the 6 feet of snow, and 20 below weather.

Take care, HH
 
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H_Hunter,

You are the one who is GROSSLY incorrect. I stated precisely what Mr. Taylor himself said his number was useful for describing!

Since you think otherwise, though, please explain why the 12 gauge slug is a bad useage for bison, afterall it has a Taylor knock down number of 88! Don't dodge the question answer it!

Scott
 
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Hawaiian_Hunter,

I see your unable to address the question of the TKO and the 12 gauge slug. I also see you enjoy taking quotes out of context. Would you be shocked to discover I have known from the get go that you are a trolling loser?


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Temper temper Scotty, you'll burst a blood vessel. Your name calling reflects your immaturity. Try and behave like an adult okay? I don't think you're a troll, I think you're an arm chair expert with absolutely no real experiance in the field, and absolutely no manners. How old are you, how many big game animals have you actually harvested. You want me to guess? To answer your 12 gauge question, you failed to take all performance values into consideration thus leading to your poor choice of firearm, and ammo thus not matching the proper firearm for the game thus causing unneccesary suffering to the poor animal. Also your choice of shot placement was poor, and your aim was horrible thus leading to the richocet off the bull's skull. Your choices showed your disrespect for life which reflects a poor hunting ethic. I only see one person behaving like a moron, and that is most deffinately YOU. Sorry to disapoint you but this is my only identity here, and all my FRIENDS here already know my name, and you sure as hell ain't one of my friends. I don't reveal my name to just anyone, gotta protect my kids from online weirdos.
 
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Hawaiian_Hunter,

Closer to bustin' a gut than bursting a blood vessel!

I'll play along, though as this is a blast!!

What exactly are you talking about, by the way? I did not shoot a bison bull with a 12 gauge, but I saw a moron (probably one much like you) who did! His shot was perfect too, right between the eyes and an 1 1/2 high.

The question for you, HE WHO CANNOT READ , deals with the Taylor knock down number. It says the 1.25 oz 12 gauge slug has a TKO of 91, which by the way, is basically identical to the 505 Gibbs. So tell us all is the 1.25 oz 12 gauge slug the equal of a 505 Gibbs, as Taylor's number states?

How thick is a bison bull's skull directly in front of the brain, anyway? This is an extra credit question for you!



Scott
 
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Scott, tell us about all those cape buffalo you shot "in the brain pan" when you were posting your BS as Todd E.

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But this is what I like about Accurate Reloading, the never ending line of ignorant, know-nothing, trolls! It is even richer when these losers call me the troll. ScottS




The reason everyone calls you a loser and a troll Scott is because you ARE ONE and you have proven it over and over and over under about 15 different identities.

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My only lies have been very obvious ones. How about, I am a college student majoring in early childhood development. . . LIE. Another, even more obvious bit of stupidity, I am a women trapped in a man's body, but I am going to get a sex change operation to remedy this. . . hilariously idiotic lie! ScottS




Your only claim to fame on Accurate Reloading website is to be the "Most Ignored User" in history.

Now flip thru your little pile of gun magazines and try to come up with another silly, irrelevant question. <Yawn>

 
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Gentlemen we have more incommon than differences,we should worry about those who hate us because we like guns and hunting and not each other. We all have different ideas on everything we may not always agree, let agree to disagree sometimes,band of brothers,Kev
 
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Scotty, Scotty, Scotty, I see now that ScottS ain't even your real name is it Todd E.? You have posted under 15 different identities? And you're too shicken chit to even name your true location, what a hypocrate. No surprise. I'm sure you have developed quite a gut sitting in your computer chair all day & night dreaming up your theories, and lame replies. I show you the error of your ways so what do you do? All of a sudden you change your story saying it wasn't you shooting the buffalo in the head it was someone else, you just happened to be conveniently standing in the middle of a prairie to eyewitness this. You're in quicksand pal, the more you struggle the deeper you sink. I've given you the answer to your stupid irrelavent 12 gauge question 4 times but you just can't seem to grasp it. Talk about he who can not read... Sheesh.

You have yet to answer mine.



How thick is a bison bull's skull directly in front of the brain? I know, I know, about one quarter as thick as yours!
 
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Gentlemen we have more incommon than differences,we should worry about those who hate us because we like guns and hunting and not each other. We all have different ideas on everything we may not always agree, let agree to disagree sometimes,band of brothers,Kev




Amen Kev,
I'm willing to let bygones be bygones. Balls in your court ScottS.
 
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No location, no email, no nothing on your profile. Hawaiian_Hunter, you fit the troll definition to a 'T'.

In one terse post, explain this to me.

The 45-70 shooting a 400gr slug at 2150 fps has a TKO of 56, and the 12 gauge shotgun shooting a 1.25 oz slug at 1600 fps has a TKO of 91. Which is the better big game rifle (assume the shotgun is rifles smart ass)?

Still feeding out the line, when will the fool hit bottom? That is what I really want to know.

Scott
 
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I feel like i'm boxing a blind man, no challenge whatsoever, extremely boring...YAWN Hey ScottS/Todd_E/Axel/SRS/NRAChick/POSeur/Anonymous/etc. (the list goes on) or whoever you are posing as today some old buddies of yours contacted me exposing you for what you are, THEE NUMBER 1 TROLL of AR. You have multiple personality, and gender identity disorder, but in any shape or form you take, you are always disliked by all. They have verified what I knew all along - you are an armchair expert with no real experiance in firearms or hunting, just a lonely fellow, a wanna be, poser, foney, longing for attention, and recognition but never getting any due to the obvious BS you have presented in your posts, along with your total lack of ability to communicate like an adult. You are described by your "peers" as a fabricator of stories, a pathelogical liar. You have admitted on a post to needing, and taking medication for your mental problems. I almost feel sorry for you. Your credibility is SHOT, and nothing you say is worth dignifying with a response. Many have pointed out that this forum has a nice feature I was not aware of, the "Ignore Loser" feature. You ScottS/Todd_E/Axel/SRS/NRAChick/POSeur/Anonymous/etc. may be honored to know you are the first to be on my "Ignore Loser" list so from this moment on I don't have to hear your incessent infantile whining, and senseless ranting. Frankly Mr. Chameleon Troll you BORE me. Continue to wallow in your ignorance like a sow in it's own feces...
Here's just a few examples of your idiocy: http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB16&Number=367594&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=367594&Search=true&where=&Name=5246&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post367594
http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=350929&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB16&Number=620637&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=614532&Search=true&where=&Name=10515&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post620637 http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=350929&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
Thank you friends for your support, and suggestions.
 
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H.H. - You've got little Scotty figured out to a "T" and nailed to your outhouse wall. I've been watching the fool since the early Todd E. days and he's always the same. Claims all the knowledge and experience in the world and then tries to back up his lies with stolen photos, bullshit and silly, irrelevent questions from gun books.

Here's an early photo I found of Scott as he was starting his career as "Internet Phony." Some things never change. ScottS/Todd E/SRS/500AHR/ etc is one of them.

 
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So what you are having difficulty saying is that your were wrong with regard to the Taylor Knock Down number! Guess what, we ALL knew that.

Scott
 
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E-Thug??? I'm laughing my ass off E-Wussy more like... Thanks for sharing the LAUGHS,

Mahalo to you Pecos45 (can't stop laughing!)

Yoohoo NRAChick, I can't hear you...

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H.H. - You've got little Scotty figured out to a "T" and nailed to your outhouse wall. I've been watching the fool since the early Todd E. days and he's always the same. Claims all the knowledge and experience in the world and then tries to back up his lies with stolen photos, bullshit and silly, irrelevent questions from gun books.

Here's an early photo I found of Scott as he was starting his career as "Internet Phony." Some things never change. ScottS/Todd E/SRS/500AHR/ etc is one of them.




 
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So what you are having difficulty saying is that your were wrong with regard to the Taylor Knock Down number! Guess what, we ALL knew that.

Scott




So what YOU are saying, Scotty, is that you haven't a clue about real hunting experience? You're great claim to "buffalo hunting" was the silly little CANNED bison hunt you posted the disgusting pictures about recently?

You always try to fall back on bullshit when you haven't a clue. Or do you seriously think there is some great significanse to the "Taylor Knock Down" table?

You're the original Walter Mitty hunter, Scott. You think a few gun books and your over fertilized imagination are the same as experience.

Run along now and play in the backyard under ~judy's watchful eye.
 
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Of course you know they are discontinued, they were made in the 60's and 70's. In answer to your other questions- front locking rotating bolt, side ejection, short throw gear-operated lever, 4-shot detachable box magazine.



Hope that helps,



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Getting back to DG in a lever just got back from range and chron some woodeighs that I flatten the nose down and there weight is around 560 grains. I got an average of 2030 fps with them,I saw no signs of high pressure and I am sure I could go up a grain, and that would give me over 2050 fps with a 560 grain woodleigh. I do get better accuracy with my 525 HC,I guess my rifle just likes them better,Kev
 
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Martin, the cannelure tool just had the adjustment screw to tight loosen it up and it work so it is okay now, the bullets that I used today I put a new cannelure on them,Kev
 
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