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If you wanted to build a 50 Alaskan what action would you recommend and who would you recommend do the conversions? Cost? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | ||
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If your in Eagle River, all you need to do is stop in at Boondocks. They can tell you what you need. If I was going to build a .50 Alaskan, I'd use a Winchester 1886 action. I spend June, July and Aug. in Eagle River. | |||
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Snowwolf: I've got two. Both made from a Browning Mod. 71. McGowan from Illinois made one and I forget who made the second one.SSk maybe? McGowans, stainless short bbl and Trijicon ACOG site.  SSK? 510 grain Kodiak bullet.  | |||
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What did McGowen charge you? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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TJ, I like the looks of your ak............how does that red dot site hold up to the recoil, is it better or worse than an aimpoint ?? I do not know much about the Trijicons. | |||
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As I remember the cost was $600 - $800 for the modifications, Decelerator pad and stainless barrel.I provided the rifle. McGowan was in the process of selling the business at that time. I'm not sure who owns it now. Trijicon supplies a lot of optics to the military. I've got 3. They are excellent. I also have a couple Aimpoints. The Trijicon is much stronger. I have one on a 375HH and have not had any problems from recoil with any of them. The red dot on the .50 is the fastest aiming sight I've ever used. You learn to shoot with both eyes open. It works great in heavy brush. | |||
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TJ, what do your loads do in your .50 ak..............my 50-110 will be ready to pick up any day !! | |||
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Here's a pic of a moose I shot with my .50 Ak. in 2003. I guess the distance was about 25 feet through heavy brush. I had to move around to figure out where his shoulder was. I would never have tried the shot with another gun. I hit him high in the right shoulder, he made two jumps and died. We found the bullet under the skin on the left side.It went through heavy brush and still killed the moose. I've got the bullet around here some place. If I can find it, I will post a pic.  | |||
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TJ - Nice MOOSE!!!! If you can't smell his breath, your're not close enough! | |||
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TJ, what powder and bullets are you using and what charge weight in your .50 AK ?? | |||
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PC; We use 54.5 grains of IMR 4198 for the 450 grain bullets, and 54 grains of IMR 4198 for the 510 grain. The moose was shot with a 510 Grain. Mfg. by Alaska Bullets Works in Douglas Alaska. | |||
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Can someone here tell me how long the case of the 50 Alaskan is? Maybe even post a picture of the round? Please? Thanks! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Thanks TJ, I picked up my 50-110 today.......pictures are in the big bores forum. I have some loads done up with the filed down 440 gr black powder woodleigh's which weigh about 405 gr, I am using 76 gr of AR2208 which your powder equivalent is IMR4064. What work have you done with 4064 if any ?? I was going to use AR2207 which is your IMR4198 but I thought it might be a little quick and with the big 50-110 case I thought load density may not be that great. I use 2207 in my 45/70 with great results. | |||
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PC, Email ADI, for something interesting like your 50-110, they may actually respond, otherwise ring them and ask for some advice on loads. Regarding your powder "equivalents" AR2207 is Hodgdon's H4198, but AR2208 is Varget. I presume by saying "your powder equivalent is IMR4064" your saying similiar burning rates but not identical? Be careful!! Don't want anyone twisting metal. Cheers... Con | |||
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Whitworth: The .50 Alaskan is based on the 348 Win. case. Fireformed from 348 to 50. I just measured a case with a tape measure, it was 2 1/16 inch. | |||
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Starline sells both 50 Alaskan and 50-110 brass. Their measurements show the 50 Alaskan case at 2.1 inches long and the 50-110 at 2.4 inchs long. I am determined to make up my own "50" on my Win new model 1886. My final question is does the 50-110 offer an advantage of the 50 Alaskan? I will be mainly shooting bullets from 450-500 grains at big targets under 100 yards. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Snowwolfe, The Marlin 1895 has also been used succesfully to make into 50Alaskans. Cheers... Con | |||
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I reckon the difference between the 50 ak and 50-110 will be same as difference between a 30/06 and .308. | |||
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I run 450gr Kodiaks at 2000fps over 66gr of Benchmark in my 50Ak. This is from a 22" barrel. I shot my 50-110 for the first time yesterday, 525gr cast over 75gr of H4895, I didn't have the chrono with me, but my shoulder will tell you it kicked way harder then the 50Ak. Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. | |||
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I must be a glutton for verbal abuse but so what else is new.......I have a couple questions. The moose is a nice trophy....you wouldn't have tried to shoot it had you had a 45-70 in your hands? Bygod I would have! I realize that many of you feel velocity is everything and want to blow 500 grain tankbusters out the barrel at 2000+. Damned sickness in my opinion. A good 400+ grain .458 bullet at anything from 1600 and above will anything the .50's will. But, saying you have a 45-70 is akin to admitting your slong is 6" long, you really get attention you brag on a 10 incher....or a 50-110. I am big advocate of not fixing anything that isn't broken and be damned to a devils a hell if I'd break down a perfectly good 45-70 and spend beaucoup bucks to have a half inch pipe screwed on. Yes, I own a 45-70 and no 50-110 and true, it is YOUR money and vain imaginations you are assuaging by having to own such a beast. | |||
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People buy 50's not because they need, because they want<S> I want one and I can afford it. I don't need most of the 40-45 weapons I already own. I simply want, haha But have any of you made up a 50 Alaskan on the marlin? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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AL ........... I have been trying to get ahold of you...... I just got my BLR back from the Smith's and shot it yesterday. I need some loading data for it.. The loaded stuff the gunsmith gave me was I swear --- made in 1889 it just went ..pop.. I checked the barrel becouse i thought it was a dud... So you know were i roost and you have my email address... or you can post it here or over at the other web site. But could i get just a few of you good strong load to try out in my new 50-110.. Don't worry to much AL this is a 55.000 PSI action on this BLR to start with . It started life as a 300 Win Mag.. The gunsmith only replaced three little part inside the action one was this little red plastic look thing god knows what it was for ? Pottsy PA Bullet's Forgot to add anyone looking for good loaded 50 AK round's might give this place a good looking over http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/Search.bok?category=50+Alaskan | |||
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I have a marlin 1895 Cowboy converted to .50 Alaskan. I am Getting 2600 fps with the 300 grain Barnes, 1850 fps with the 535 grain Woodleigh. I also have an 1895 Marlin 45/70, bought in 1972. It has been a fine deer/bear gun but I only get 2100 fps with a 300 grain bullet and 1650 with a 405 grain. There is a significant difference in the ballistics and the "shock factor" with the 50 Alaskan. | |||
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WhoooYa ... your standing on those load's for the 50 Alaskan  I like that It's suprising just how much that under rate Marlin will handle....Far more then most folk's think | |||
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Buckeye, who did your conversion? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Jump Trap, pigs and roo's in Australia are deadly dangerous and the 45/70 just was not doing the job..............hence I needed a 50-110. Reality is I built one becasue I wanted one. Much like the other folks that have .50 lever guns I imagine. | |||
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Doug Turnbull Restoration did my conversion. The gun does have a 26" barrel so I get a bit better velocity that the 20" carbines  | |||
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The 50 Alaskan is quite an impressive round I have one and the 50 hits game harder than 45 calibers you can see the difference Jask Huntington has made many of these conversions and does a great job Jack's phone number is 530-268-6877 Give him a call he will convert marlin's or 86 or 71 winchester's as well as the Browning copies _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I won't argue the fact the big .50 is better but your 45-70 loads are very mild.I have data for the .450 Marlin with the 400 Swift A-frame that goes to 1930 fps out of the "Guide Gun" and 2021 fps out of a 24 inch test barrel.Yhe 400 A-frame doesn't have to take second base to any bullet including my 405 Kodiak and as I'm sure you know the 45-70 because of case capacity can achieve a slight velocity advantage over the .450 Marlin. The big .50 is a great levergun but the 45-70 loaded to its potential is not "That" far behind throwing out Premium bullets like the 400 A-Frame over 2,000 fps depending on barrel length. My opinion...Only...Don't beat me up to bad.  Jayco | |||
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Jayco i don't think your that far off at all when comparing both using a 400 grain bullet.. nope there about in the same ball park... The change's come when you start using 525's 530's 550's 600 grain bullet Then again Grizzy put's out a mean 525 grain Caliber: 50 Alaskan Bullet Wt: 525 Grain WFNGC Velocity: 1850 fps and a really mean 450 grain Caliber: 50 Alaskan Bullet Wt: 450 Grain Hawk BCFP Velocity: 2000 fps http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/Search.bok?category=50+Alaskan P.O Box 1466 Rainier, Oregon, 97048 | |||
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A little load data for the .450 Marlin from a test barrel.  Jayco | |||
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In a close range shooting situtation would not the greatter wt. of the 525 lead out weight the 150 ftp it gives up in the comparison to the 450 lead? Thank you for your patience. If you can't smell his breath, your're not close enough! | |||
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Hard call since one is a jacketed bullet and the other soft lead. Thats why i posted both ..The jacket should hang together longer on impacting a solid bit of bone But the lead bullet by verture of it's weight would be a better suited bullet on thined skined game like Brown Bear that have thinker skin but are harder to kill becouse of there mass/weight and vigor when hit with bullet's. | |||
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The 525 Grain WFNGC is a hard cast bullet and will actually expand little and penetrate better than an expanding bullet, like the 450 Grain Hawk FP. Grizzly is also wrong listing the Hawk bullet as bonded. It is not bonded, the jackets are annealed, but there is no process undertaken in the making of the Hawk bullet which bonds the jacket to the core. So, the 525 grain hard cast, not the 450 grain jacketed bullet is likely to "hang together longer impacting a solid bit of bone", particularly at their likely respective impact velocities. You learn something new everyday whether you want to or not. | |||
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Hi,did you ever chrono these loads?any others to recommend for the 50-110?Thanks
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Hey hippy Al i need to send that recovered bullet back to you .. Thanks for letting me hang on to it for soo long guy it is sweat looking .. .510 diameter PA recovered bullet Bear hunt/manatoba This is Al's bullet   | |||
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So if you had a 50-140 that would mean........ My neverending (2.5 year) 50 AK project is on a stainless 1895 w/16.5" unported barrel by Wild West/Badger. Still working up loads w/525 LBTs, 500gn Kodiaks, and 350gn cast bullets, but Buff Bore 525gn loads chronoed an amazing 1866fps. That's a wake up call from 6.6lb! Have to finish soldering the BB front sight and make a shim for the rear, then to robar and I'm calling it done. Bob DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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Bob, I've had great luck with Benchmark powder in my 50AK. H322 worked good also, I just load more Benchmark so it's one less powder to have on the bench. ************************************************ Pottsy, send it back when your done with it. That sucker really held together. Did you do any more with a different point former for the oal problems I was having? Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. | |||
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I am waiting of Richard Corbin to finish the set .. I was over to see richard about a month ago or a little longer or so and i dropped off the one you had made up but not fired that and one in .458 of the same design ..and ya no kidding it stayed together ..after going through that much meat and bone i was happy to see that it hung together so dam well . I think we hit on the right jacket wall thickness for your next bear hunt no matter how big of a bear you go after and as for any other critters i think it will work fine . I showed Richard Corbin the bullet you used to kill that bear .  he must have looked it over for 5 mins before looking up and smiling.Nice job.. Al Martin | |||
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snowwolfe - I had my 50 ak built by wwg about 8 years ago on a marlin - wood stock with hard chrome finish, wwg rear sight and fiber optic front - I use both reformed 348 brass and starline brass, have tried imr4198, h322, benchmark, 3031 and settled on re7 - I shoot lots of cast performance bullets, like the 435 gas check best and chrony 1900-1950 fps - rifle will do more but why for up close and personal? If you want to inspect / shoot this rifle, pm me and we can do some range time - KMule Hear and forget. See and remember. Do and understand. | |||
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