Win 1895 conversion.

27 January 2020, 22:55

crshelton

Bill,
DPCD knows the 1895 rather well as you may have seen in his posts. He may comment.
In fact, for Boom Stick(B.S.), we just went through lot of discussion of converting an 1895 to various calibers, including the .411 Hawk which was made for the 1895 .405.
Much of what you need to know is in this thread:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...8721043/m/6701023652

PS Being a shooter of the 1895 .405 WCF with bullets from 210 to 400 grains, I attempted to answer B.S. questions and where applicable. point out where the .405 WCF already met his requirements.

Enjoy

BTW, this reminds me of a thread on another forum where a person wanted to know why there was no lever action based rifle for dangerous game. After much BS (no periods) by people not familiar with lever guns, I pointed out that such a rifle (the 1886 45-90 WCF, aka .458 2.4 ) had existed for more than 100 years and that it and its precursor, the .45-70 had already been used to take all types DG in Africa, and North America.
The poor fellow had trouble coming to grips with the fact that the DG do not know or care whether a 450 grain bullet at 2150 fps came from a DR, bolt action, lever action, single shot, or blowgun. Much like teaching Fortran programming to a class that does not know Algebra. (yes, been there , done that)

28 January 2020, 00:43

cal pappas

Why not a .35 Winchester?
C

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28 January 2020, 03:55

dpcd

Done many of them; my mission in life is to destroy as many 270 Win 95s as possible and make them 405s.
Advice on reboring; the barrels on the Miroku 95s, both Browning and Win, are the wrong contour. Original 30-=06 and 405 barrels are not tapered like the 30-40s. Not that a 35 Whelen wouldn't work. Yes, look at that other thread for more details on mag length. Otherwise, the 95 is easy to convert to something worthwhile. By worthwhile I mean, big.

28 January 2020, 20:06

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by Huvius:
Would have to look at the specs but I don’t think a RN 35Whelen would be any longer than a spire point 30’06

I think you are correct,checked different sites today & the oal seems to be identical,yesterday I did find a load that exceeded the 30-06 oal & so I was curious if the mag box would be a problem.

28 January 2020, 20:10

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by crshelton:
Bill,
DPCD knows the 1895 rather well as you may have seen in his posts. He may comment.
In fact, for Boom Stick(B.S.), we just went through lot of discussion of converting an 1895 to various calibers, including the .411 Hawk which was made for the 1895 .405.
Much of what you need to know is in this thread:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...8721043/m/6701023652

PS Being a shooter of the 1895 .405 WCF with bullets from 210 to 400 grains, I attempted to answer B.S. questions and where applicable. point out where the .405 WCF already met his requirements.

Enjoy

BTW, this reminds me of a thread on another forum where a person wanted to know why there was no lever action based rifle for dangerous game. After much BS (no periods) by people not familiar with lever guns, I pointed out that such a rifle (the 1886 45-90 WCF, aka .458 2.4 ) had existed for more than 100 years and that it and its precursor, the .45-70 had already been used to take all types DG in Africa, and North America.
The poor fellow had trouble coming to grips with the fact that the DG do not know or care whether a 450 grain bullet at 2150 fps came from a DR, bolt action, lever action, single shot, or blowgun. Much like teaching Fortran programming to a class that does not know Algebra. (yes, been there , done that)

,

CR,
Thanks for commenting,I am in agreement with it all

,my next Safari will be with a DR & a Lever suitable for DG,ESPECIALLY BUFFALO & I will not be the first to have done it

28 January 2020, 20:12

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Why not a .35 Winchester?
C

Cal,
the 35 Win is a great round,if Winchester came out with it? I would be first in line,at the moment however I am playing with a DR in 30-06 & the Whelen seems to be a natural progression.

28 January 2020, 20:15

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
Done many of them; my mission in life is to destroy as many 270 Win 95s as possible and make them 405s.
Advice on reboring; the barrels on the Miroku 95s, both Browning and Win, are the wrong contour. Original 30-=06 and 405 barrels are not tapered like the 30-40s. Not that a 35 Whelen wouldn't work. Yes, look at that other thread for more details on mag length. Otherwise, the 95 is easy to convert to something worthwhile. By worthwhile I mean, big.

dpcd,
thanks for the info,do you think that a 30-06 rebored would make too light a rifle for the 35 Whelen?

28 January 2020, 22:50

dpcd

It will be good for carrying and hunting. I prefer the original, correct, contour. It is a straight taper, not a reverse type.
"Too light" is always in the mind and shoulder, of the owner. It will be fine for most AR members I'm sure.
As Elmer said, "I like my rifles to kill on both ends".

30 January 2020, 03:05

Atkinson

A mod. 95 in a 9.3x62 would be a dandy, and be the most effective killer of any 95 caliber by a good bit.

Easy conversion btw, and buffalo ready, the most you can get out of a 30-06 capacity case in that you can use 30-06 cases but its a poor practice and not even reasonable to do so..9.3 x62 brass is available at the same price as 06 brass, at about $56. per hundred...

30 January 2020, 05:24

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
A mod. 95 in a 9.3x62 would be a dandy, and be the most effective killer of any 95 caliber by a good bit.

Easy conversion btw, and buffalo ready, the most you can get out of a 30-06 capacity case in that you can use 30-06 cases but its a poor practice and not even reasonable to do so..9.3 x62 brass is available at the same price as 06 brass, at about $56. per hundred...

Yea but the 9.3x62 is Euro trash

31 January 2020, 08:38

loud-n-boomer

It works just fine. Mine started out as just that, but through a mischance required a new barrel later.

31 January 2020, 23:48

Atkinson

The 9.3 is no longer Euro trash its been adopted by many US gunmakers, the golden days are just around the corner for the 9.3x62, its the rage, get with the program you just dated yourself!!

01 February 2020, 00:38

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
The 9.3 is no longer Euro trash its been adopted by many US gunmakers, the golden days are just around the corner for the 9.3x62, its the rage, get with the program you just dated yourself!!

It should serve you well in your golden years,rage on

01 February 2020, 03:31

richj

Picked mine up from Boise in 405, shipped to alaska came back with an extra 30/40 barrel.

01 February 2020, 03:41

boom stick

How about the 38 Whelen?

quote:
Originally posted by Bill73:
quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
A mod. 95 in a 9.3x62 would be a dandy, and be the most effective killer of any 95 caliber by a good bit.

Easy conversion btw, and buffalo ready, the most you can get out of a 30-06 capacity case in that you can use 30-06 cases but its a poor practice and not even reasonable to do so..9.3 x62 brass is available at the same price as 06 brass, at about $56. per hundred...

Yea but the 9.3x62 is Euro trash

01 February 2020, 20:46

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
How about the 38 Whelen?

quote:
Originally posted by Bill73:
quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
A mod. 95 in a 9.3x62 would be a dandy, and be the most effective killer of any 95 caliber by a good bit.

Easy conversion btw, and buffalo ready, the most you can get out of a 30-06 capacity case in that you can use 30-06 cases but its a poor practice and not even reasonable to do so..9.3 x62 brass is available at the same price as 06 brass, at about $56. per hundred...

Yea but the 9.3x62 is Euro trash

What is the 38 Whelen?

05 February 2020, 02:01

boom stick

the 38 whelen is often miss named a 375 Whelen or 375-06 but the original name was the 38 Whelen.

05 February 2020, 05:34

mart

I once saw a nice 1895 take down with two barrels and forends. One in 280 and the other in 35 Whelen. Always thought that would make a great one gun combo for NA.

"...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson

05 February 2020, 09:08

NormanConquest

Bill, I wouldn't consider the 9.3 'euro trash'. It's actually a good bullet in 9.3 X 62 or 57 or 72R. Americans have for years not taken the metric calibers to heart. That was one reason that the 264 W.M. never really caught on with the general public but did with those in the know. I personally love the 6.5 calibers.

05 February 2020, 19:29

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by NormanConquest:
Bill, I wouldn't consider the 9.3 'euro trash'. It's actually a good bullet in 9.3 X 62 or 57 or 72R. Americans have for years not taken the metric calibers to heart. That was one reason that the 264 W.M. never really caught on with the general public but did with those in the know. I personally love the 6.5 calibers.

You are correct & actually in fact the first rifle I bought for my son is a 9.3x62,I was just having a little fun teasing Ray,it would be a good round in a 1895,although I just like the idea of an all American cal in something like the 1895

10 February 2020, 19:55

vlwtx348

Several years ago I had a Browning. 30-'06 1895 bored out to .35 Whelen. I put a Providence tool pattern 21 sight on it.
I've killed a few hogs and mule deer with it. No complaints.
My only experience is with 250 gr bullets. Haven't tried any smaller ones. Probably won't.

10 February 2020, 20:46

crshelton

My final 2 cents on modifying an 1895 .405 for wildcat or foreign cartridges;

I am sticking with my 1895 .405 WCF for reasons other than liking the rifle itself.
1. Everything that I shoot with the appropriate 300 grain bullets at 2225-2250 fps dies with one shot.
2. My 400 grain hand load at 2076 fps kills Cape buff nicely.
3. My 210 grain hand loads are all that is needed for hogs, white tailed deer, coyotes and such.
4. If desired, I can safely load 300 grain bullets to 2400+ fps (so far no need to).
5. I am working with a couple of 1895 shooters to find a safe 400 grain load at 2150 fps.
6. I am corresponding with another hunter on using his 1895 to take African leopard and lion.

With my 1895 .405 lever gun and .405 double rifle, my little-big-bore needs are met.

12 February 2020, 19:50

cbennett

Gentlemen, I have several Browning/ Winchester 1895's so please hear me out before scolding. I have (2) set up already with Williams receiver sights and XO blades. I want to put a scout scope on a used Browning in 30/40 Krag, I already have the scope therefore any ideas on a barrel mounted base? I know XO makes one but not crazy about the full rail and also having to drill the receiver. I am wondering if a Ruger 1 V 2 piece base could be made to work or could you recommend someone to fabricate a set?
Thank You, Chris

12 February 2020, 21:33

crshelton

cbennet,
My best hunting buddy made his own scout scope base for his Winchester 1886 45-70 and it used Leupold QD rings. He may actually have just modified the Leupold base. Another buddy has a scout scope on his 1895 .405 .

Here is a picture of a good 1895 rig that came from a gunsmithing site story about how to make the base:

If I can locate the site again, I will forward to you as the name of the gunsmith is there.

You might also ask dpcd on thois forum if he will do it for you .
Note the swivel ring soldered on the barrel - the only good way to rig for sling use.

Note that my "shooter" 1895 .405 has no scope but a peep sight which works for me:

12 February 2020, 22:45

cbennett

Sir, That is exactly what I am looking for.
DPCD is this something that you could do?

12 February 2020, 22:52

dpcd

Please PM me with questions; it is just by accident that I saw this.
I could put a Ruger #1 quarter rib on it, or the like, but have no time right now for that.
BTW, I personally developed the Providence Tool 21 sight (for ease of production; the original Lyman 21 could not be produced nowadays to sell); long story with a very bad ending.

12 February 2020, 23:30

cbennett

Thank You.I will look into the quarter rib, I am assuming I could have a local smith drill and tap the barrel no problem.
any ideas if contours match or buy several and return after trial and error? Thank You
PM coming

12 February 2020, 23:35

crshelton

dpcd IS the local smith!

13 February 2020, 00:38

boom stick

crshelton... A big thank you to you and dpcd. There is nothing lacking with the 405 Win or the 1895 or a tweaked one to get 400 @2150. I commend your devotion to a worthy cartridge. I too have a fondness for the old school English big bore cartridges and velocities as well as American big bores/rifles. My desire for a 400 Whelen or wildcat on the 1895 does not negate my fondness for the other more traditional options. Because of your passion for the 1895, the 405 Win and experience I have been challenged and enlightened. Thank you immensely for your contributions to my gun education.

quote:
Originally posted by crshelton:
My final 2 cents on modifying an 1895 .405 for wildcat or foreign cartridges;

I am sticking with my 1895 .405 WCF for reasons other than liking the rifle itself.
1. Everything that I shoot with the appropriate 300 grain bullets at 2225-2250 fps dies with one shot.
2. My 400 grain hand load at 2076 fps kills Cape buff nicely.
3. My 210 grain hand loads are all that is needed for hogs, white tailed deer, coyotes and such.
4. If desired, I can safely load 300 grain bullets to 2400+ fps (so far no need to).
5. I am working with a couple of 1895 shooters to find a safe 400 grain load at 2150 fps.
6. I am corresponding with another hunter on using his 1895 to take African leopard and lion.

With my 1895 .405 lever gun and .405 double rifle, my little-big-bore needs are met.

23 February 2020, 00:49

Atkinson

HUH! LIsten Billy boy the 9.3x62 kicks the crap out of this emaciate 85 year old body, I had my day but lately I look more at my 222 than any other caliber!!

29 February 2020, 23:47

Bill73

I took the plunge,a brand new 1895 is on the way to JES,I should have my 35 Whelen in a couple of weeks

01 March 2020, 09:06

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by Bill73:
I took the plunge,a brand new 1895 is on the way to JES,I should have my 35 Whelen in a couple of weeks

What a great combination of cartridge and gun.
Now all you need is a matching one in 400 Whelen

01 March 2020, 19:18

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
quote:
Originally posted by Bill73:
I took the plunge,a brand new 1895 is on the way to JES,I should have my 35 Whelen in a couple of weeks

What a great combination of cartridge and gun.
Now all you need is a matching one in 400 Whelen

Who said there is a need

it's more of a "I want it because" ha ha ha.

01 March 2020, 20:37

ColoradoMatt

quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
Done many of them; my mission in life is to destroy as many 270 Win 95s as possible and make them 405s.

That is ironic! The Win 1895 in 270 was a sales bomb, and a large percentage of the rifles produced sat in a warehouse gathering dust. Dave Scoville wrote in a magazine article that he convinced the higher ups at FNH/Winchester to send those guns back to Japan and have them redone in 405. It seems you and Dave have very convergent thoughts on the 1895 in 270!

Matt
FISH!!

Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."

01 March 2020, 21:15

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
Done many of them; my mission in life is to destroy as many 270 Win 95s as possible and make them 405s.

That is ironic! The Win 1895 in 270 was a sales bomb, and a large percentage of the rifles produced sat in a warehouse gathering dust. Dave Scoville wrote in a magazine article that he convinced the higher ups at FNH/Winchester to send those guns back to Japan and have them redone in 405. It seems you and Dave have very convergent thoughts on the 1895 in 270!

Why do you think the 270 was not popular?

01 March 2020, 22:11

ColoradoMatt

quote:
Originally posted by Bill73:
quote:
Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
Done many of them; my mission in life is to destroy as many 270 Win 95s as possible and make them 405s.

That is ironic! The Win 1895 in 270 was a sales bomb, and a large percentage of the rifles produced sat in a warehouse gathering dust. Dave Scoville wrote in a magazine article that he convinced the higher ups at FNH/Winchester to send those guns back to Japan and have them redone in 405. It seems you and Dave have very convergent thoughts on the 1895 in 270!

Why do you think the 270 was not popular?

I think it was because the 270 was never originally chambered in the 1895, and I suppose the 270 is typically thought of by most folks as a 400 yard capable round for use with optics ready rifles. On top of that, the 1895 is a big heavy gun. Something I’d rather use as a platform for launching 220 grain ‘06 bullets or 405 Win bullets. The chambering of 270 in the 1895 just seems to me like an oxymoronic pairing.

02 March 2020, 21:03

Lk Hntr

I purchased this a ways back, and I still have not taken it hunting. I need to get it out and get it bloodied. It was supposedly a 270 with a rebarrel to 9.3x62. Here is a link I posted a few years back. http://forums.accuratereloadin...591084712#7591084712

02 March 2020, 22:24

dpcd

Right, the 270 was put on the 95s by some marketing person at corporate level; certainly no one who knew anything about rifles. He/she recognized it as a popular rifle caliber, so why not?
Anyone who wants a 270 does not want a lever action and anyone who wants a 95 wants a 405. They should have asked me.
Barrel contour too; all wrong; they used a Howa barrel they had laying around.