An old customer of mine told me he had 7 model 1886s that he may want to sell. I don't know any information as to caliber or actual age condition etc. I have some experience with 73 s 92 and 94s but very little with the 1886s.. any info on this model on gunbroker the prices are all over the place from $500 to 10k, any info would be appreciated I hope to see the rifles in a few days Thanks

The Winchester Arms Collectors group can be very helpful
Jim

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There have been more recent iterations of the 1886 made by Browning and Winchester, not counting the Italian firms. The originals are another matter, and require expert guidance.

Once you've had a chance to establish the price, I know we all would love to see some pictures.

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
Once you've had a chance to establish the price, I know we all would love to see some pictures.

Bingo

Thanks Guys I am going to his place tomorrow afternoon fingers crossed

I would be interested..

Well I got to see some fine original old rifles mostly older chamberings such as 40-70 ,38-65 and several others that i do not remember. He would not allow pictures ,they were way out of my price range this was an education for me. He has collected for 60 yrs and shot deer with all of them. Also had 2 405s that were pretty slick Interesting old guy, But these were Safari prices And I want to go again. Thanks for entertaining my ramblings.

Go with caution, its a tricky, slippery road when it comes to valuable OLD rifles..These are very desirable guns so condition is everything and anybody can buy a gun, buying one right is the problem, most folks overvalue their guns unless they buy and sell a lot of them. If his prices are over your head, that's no shame, its time to turn and run, its so easy to get burned, even for the experts, its part of the game..

When he said no pictures, I would have walked out, but that's just me..There is always another good deal down the road..

NOt being negative just passing own what Ive experienced over the years for what its worth.

He does not really want to sell them. Not a "motivated" seller, as they say.
Wait for the estate auction.

While an original are prized, I'm happy with my Pedersoli in 45/70.

BAW,
Nice looking rifle.
Bet it is hard on pigs and big stuff!

I have a friend that had 2 of the Brownings (cons, serial #s) one was fully engraved, that I had to sell for him when he got a 2nd DWI + couldn't own any guns anymore.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
He does not really want to sell them. Not a "motivated" seller, as they say.
Wait for the estate auction.

For sure

If your gonna hunt with them, the new ones are pretty darn good...

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If your gonna hunt with them, the new ones are pretty darn good...

That has been the case for me and a few friends that hunt with the Miroku made 1886.

the new ones have a lot to offer and you won't be fearful to take out and hunt or just have fun.

A neighbor brought his Pedersoli 1886 over the other day, and I was really impressed. Beautiful rifle that shot extremely well and functioned flawlessly. I had a Miroku '86 a couple of years ago that this Pedersoli put to shame all the way around.

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Originally posted by sharpsguy:
A neighbor brought his Pedersoli 1886 over the other day, and I was really impressed. Beautiful rifle that shot extremely well and functioned flawlessly. I had a Miroku '86 a couple of years ago that this Pedersoli put to shame all the way around.

Sharpsguy,

Would you mind explaining this a bit more? how was the Pedersoli more impressive? I am curious,because the early ones had such bad reviews.

Have a few 1886 later smokeless rifles in 33 WCF and 45-70. The 33 WCF was the same caliber carried by Ben Lilly in AZ-NM in the last grizzlies killed in those states. The 33 was quite popular in Alaska due to
the flat trajectory and 2300 FPS with a 200 gr bullet.
The 348 WCF is a continuation of that idea in the
first class 1886/71 action. They are virtually indestructible and were carried all over the northern US, Canada and Alaska. With Swift, Woodleigh, North Fork or Alaska Bullet Works bullets-the M-71 or 1886 is in a class by itself.

The first three runs of Miroku 1886 (‘98, ‘99, and 2000) were prone to developing week firing pin strikes after a couple hundred rounds or less. I had an extra light from the 2000 run do this. However, that extra light and the 26” octagon solid frame I had were extremely accurate. I understand that the latter runs of Miroku rifles have no firing pin issues. I’ve handled 86’s and 71’s from pedersoli and uberti. They aren’t bad, but I doubt they any better machined or put together any better than the Mirokus, and I would be willing to bet that Mirokus are stronger and more durable. I understand that the Italian jobs are mechanicaly quite identical to original Win 86, whereas the Miroku internals are more similar to simplified Model 71’s, with a big exception being not having tapered locking lugs. Turnbull wrote in an AR post that the Miroku guns are tougher.

Bill73 My Miroku was obviously a lemon. I got it sight unseen in a trade. It was a short barreled Trapper model in 45-70, and about the best I could get it to do at 50 yards was some where in the neighborhood of eight inches. Cast bullets in 350, 400, 480 grains with black powder or Rel7 or IMR 3031 made no difference. Neither did 400 grain Hornadys. To add insult to injury, the extractor would tear the case mouth of the ejected case about every third shot.

My friend's Pedersoli 1886 in 45-70 will put five in an inch to inch and a quarter at 50 yards with a 400 grain or 480 grain cast bullet. It functions flawlessly, and the bluing and case colors as well as the wood to metal fit are several notches above the Miroku.

All I can say is that the Pedersoli out shot the Miroku, was better finished, and functioned perfectly. Every time. Nice rifle.

On auction a 1886 in 45-90, current bid are about $1500.

https://auctionet.com/sv/13453...-wcf-tillv-nr-117161