Goal is to determine maximum effective range, nominal 4" group at a HOPEFUL 75 yards, of aquila SSS ammo in a trail, NOT traget or PPC styled gun. Basically, a 22 "crossbow" in effect. Concept to be that one could have an accurate 22 LR revolver that can take small game, and perhaps even up to small pigs (<100#) at distances to 75 yards.

Further refinement: to determine maximum range that the above can be done

2/15 - Purchased bone stock taurus 94ss4 4".
Shot
remington trainer
federal champion
aquila SSS ammo

Fired from a rest, with a bone stock gun, 2 shooters, 3 different ammo. At 25 yards, about 2" groups, some 2.25, some slightly less, 9 shot groups.

federals sprayed the worst

Very variable winds, which lead to some of the groups sizes.

was able to pick off cloths pins at will at 15 yards.


the taurus has a 1:15 twist, faster than the tracker and I believe faster than the SW 617-6

Will perform trigger job and retest

At this time, imho, this combo could easily take rabbits/piglets at 25 yards

2/16
Ordered Shilen 1:10 twist hex groove barrel, which is specificaly designed for this SSS bullet.

Will attempt mild trigger job and test shooting

Then, will send out to be rebarreled in a specific fashion.
I will send with a dirty cylinder - and ask for minimum clearence of breach and cylinder

will have target crown

will have trigger, in single action, set to ~2#

then retest, from hand held, but rested, position.

The taurus barrel appears to be stablizing the SSS, but just barely .. want best possible combination.

Why not just buy a SW 617 or diamondback?
they would have the wrong twist, even though I will probably "be in the 22" for the same ammount, over time.

also, I recognize that my wife will take this away from me the second she shoots it.

good news - it isn't my wife's favorite, so i might get to keep it!

i watched the AGI video for SW trigger jobs, and the taurus was the same, and laughabily easy to get down to about 4.5lbs .. i don't like cutting springs, and didn't have any proper diameter spring stock in hand, so next weekend should see another package from brownells!!

i might shoot it tomorrow, just to see the improvement

groups were better, but still had some keyholes.. LOTS of fun at 25 yards and picking off clothes pins

my shilen barrel shipped today!
it will be a couple weeks, but i'll have my trailgun to shoot SSS sooner than never

Gunshow this weekend in Conroe, think I'll take Brenda and see if she can find one she likes- that way maybe just maybe I can keep mine. Rodney.

received my shilen barrel today!

all boxed up and ready to ship!

gunsmith has the pistola and barrel. He's gotten the barrel rough fitted and will be profiling in the next couple days.

I can hardly wait!

<sigh> oh well, the project has been delayed a couple weeks, waiting on machine time.
dang!

so, I ordered a tactical innvoations 10/22 drop in barrel to hold me over. Should be in on Monday

(in Rodney's 617, to be fair) ..
SSS ammo goes right through gallon water jugs, at 40 yards, and appears to just slightly open.. and KEEPS ON GOING right on through.

exits looked to be about 38 caliber, entrance, of course, 22 .. pokes holes clean through.

quart jugs get knocked over...

i should have an update tomorrow on eta

2 or 3 more weeks!

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

2 or 3 more weeks!

again...

I should have it wednesday or thursday!

and another week....

Dah, dah dah, dum da datta. . .Jepordy theme song!

really.. seriously .. i've been "2 weeks"'ed for over a year!

and STILL waiting for it to get shipped back to me, after "its done" for the last 2 weeks .. boy howdy, do i ever enjoy waiting on someone else

And I thought you just forgot about this thread. I still think the Dan Wesson would have been faster and cheaper in the long run. Hope to see pictures soon.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

really.. seriously .. i've been "2 weeks"'ed for over a year!

I want a target gun built, but it's crap like this that makes me say "Forget it." Why is it that gunsmiths take so long? Are there really that many people out there having guns built or worked up from stock that things like having a buttpad put on takes eight months (personal experience, there)?

quote:

Originally posted by homebrewer:
Why is it that gunsmiths take so long?

No, why don't they give a realistic estimate of how long it will take? Surely, they must know.

I've come to use the 1 week to 1 month conversion rule of thumb. If the estimate is two weeks then it will take two months. If the estimate is sixty days (nine weeks) then it will take nine months.

I, too, am waiting for an action getting barreled. I was told six to eight weeks. We spoke on the phone after they had it about six weeks and I was told that it would be done by the end of May or maybe into the first week of June. I said, "Really!. Are you sure?" and the reply was, "Oh, yes. We'll get on it at the end of the month and it won't take any time at all." I knew better. We're at three months now so I'm about halfway to getting it back.

Hey, Jeffeosso, what's the shelf life of your ammo?

Seriously, you guys need to find a new gunsmith. Our local guy who I might add does very impressive work will return a rebarrel with a trigger job as well as truing the action and adding iron sights in about 7 business days.


I wouldnt put up with that horseshit of waiting that far beyond the delivery date no matter who the smith was.

quote:

Originally posted by Grenadier:

Hey, Jeffeosso, what's the shelf life of your ammo?

I hope 1 day longer than when i shoot it!!

dang it !

rumor is, it shipped!

Good! I am still trying to figure out why you are doing all this!!!!
Peter.

quote:

rumor is, it shipped!

Well how does it shoot? And pictures please.

got it tonight .. looks okay .. with . .013" cylinder gap and NO trigger work done.. i am NOT happy .. even if it shoots well, it will still require rework .. 16 months, and its aalf-hassed work ... AINT happy .... tripper is a "Crisp" 6# ... jesus..
we'll see how it shoot this weekend

good camera isn't working --
haven't even shot it yet -- too busy here







other than no trigger work done and .013" clearence, it looks fine

Jeff,
How much cylinder gap should a 22lr revolver have? I'm only trying to satisfy my own curiosity.

Brad

it came from taurus with .007, and *I* personally believe it should be .002 to .003 .. .. i had asked for a .002 and a 2.5# single action trigger --- it came back with .013" gap and a MAYBE cleaned up, but still stupid, 8.5 or so trigger.. i can litterally put a snap cap in, cock it, and bounce off the trigger.. SUCKS doesn't begin to describe my attitude about it...

Trigger or not, I just don't see how you can shoot decent groups at 75 yards with a 4" barreled gun. When I was shooting bullseye seriously, I used a 5 1/2" barrel at 25 yards and a 7 3/8" barrel at 50 yards on my High Standard Trophy. Still, I will be interested to see your experience.
Peter.

Peter,
a good answer might wind up being "jeffe, you can't do it with that tool, and 35 yards is your max "minute of golfball" ... but i won't know until i try .. after all, its my money and my time .. and, eventually, my chronograph that will be recording vels at 75 yards, or whatever my max effective distance becomes ...

Do I think i can shoot 1" at 75 with a 4" gun, iron sights? NO .. do i think i can get to 2" with a good rest? most likely ... and a 35-50# piggie has about a 2" target for brain ...

we aren't talking about 500# boars in a charge ... talking about a soat, eating and not moving very much ...

I CAN hit a 22 box at 50yards, most of the time .. its a popular backyard event on my b-i-l
s farm house

Well. That didn't work.
Trigger is a firm 87 lbs, and then gun shoots federals very well. Sprays SSS like a 410. No key holes. Recoil makes the round slide back and jam the cylinder. I'll see if I can figure it out. Does shoot the federals well. Kinda sucks

quote:

Recoil makes the round slide back and jam the cylinder

That sounds weird! Did they ream out the cylinders?
Peter

Peter,
not that i can tell.. from the looks of it, he stuck the barrel on and did nothing else .. let's see if i can get the trigger under metric ton....

Hey Jeffe, Can you return it to the Gun Smith and have him do what you originally asked him to do? Or perhaps it is time to go with a different Gun Smith.

Nice looking Revolver which reminds me of some kind of S&W a buddy has - "maybe" a M66 S&W?

Just going to cost more to get it the way you really want it if the first Gun Smith won't do what you want. Darn shame.

HC,
it kinda looks like a 66 or an old 10 .. i liek it .. the guy didn't do squat, really, of what i had asked .. he is SUPPOSED to be good -- never again with him

i'll set it back to a nil clearence, redo the trigger, and, well, i should have done it myself, but he SAID "2-3 days turn around"

I had Frank Glenn put a bull barrel on my S&W model 10. It was going to be my Bianchi gun. Whatever happened to the Bianchi Cup? Any way it is a tack driver, literally, with 148 grain full wadcutters.
peter.

Did you get the Trigger fixed?