Profanity and personal attacks

Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown

20 January 2011, 10:23

Mike Smith

I must admit being an old navy guy that profaniity dosnt bother me. I do understand that it bothers others and as such try to refrain fromusing it. This whole issue isnt about morality though. It is about being civil to one another. We can argue as much as we want. I just dont like it when things degenerate to personal attacks and lots of profanity. In my mind the profanity isnt used to empasize a point but is just name calling. The personal attacks IMO regardless what side of an issue one takes are simply a lack of being able to defend that position for whatever reason. So, a lack of skill at apologetics, lack of facts, or full knowledge of a subject, get replaced by the lower based items. Add in the fact that emotions often run high on issues we hold important and we add gas to the fire. It is still no excuse for not being civil. Please think about that the next time you are arguing a point. There are many ways to make ones point but these are not effective or appropriate.

20 January 2011, 16:22

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by billinthewild:
I thought that the use of profanity and personal attacks was frowned upon. If that is the case someone should so inform this "fat Cat" GatoGordo of that policy.

What really bothers me are racists and misogynist

20 January 2011, 18:02

eezridr

Jerry Springer on AR? It is ashame. Seems like those that have a axe to grind might do it in a PM. Not really sure what is to gain airing BLUE language in a public forum.
Sometimes I am led to believe we have a lot of adolescent posters on this forum.

20 January 2011, 18:28

Nor Cal Mikie

Funny how easy it is to punch a few keys and say something to or about someone. Saying that same thing to a persons face is a "different story". What's the word I'am looking for? Repercussions?? You might be getting your butt beat or be picking up your teeth?
Some folks just have "No Class". I guess if you expect folks to talk to "you" that way, it's OK?
Kinda like someone that has a problem with a vendor that they bought from. You only hear their side of the story but when the Vendors side comes out, the customer treated them like trash and used bad language to run them down.
Always good to hear both sides of the story.

That usually brings out the posters "real" self for all to see. And sometimes payback is great.

20 January 2011, 18:30

butchloc

there are children of all ages

26 January 2011, 02:46

Ubuntu2K7

26 January 2011, 04:37

Swamp_Fox

Anonymity is the fortress of cowards.

26 January 2011, 06:01

Crazyhorseconsulting

Since I am one of those heathens that resort to profanity on an all to regular basis, lets see if I can clarify somethings that you more delicate souls might be able to understand.

As an example, I will use the post submitted by Scott King on the thread about the 9.3 versus all other known calibers.

Here is the post from Mr. King:

You missed me! How sad for you.

Heres where you are wrong; In the states there are a good number of guide/ outfitters all competing for client business. As sport hunting is generally assumed to be a pleasant experience, potential clients usually shop for outfitter/ guides that can provide them that. You have proven yourself on this forum to be a dickhead and therefore it is assumed unable to provide clients with a pleasant experience.

Way to go dipshit, I hope you and yours have plenty of ketchup to spice up your victorious internet battle dinner. Real food purchased with profits from sucessful hunts as transacted via this website are bound to be negligible in 2011.

Speaking of victorious battles, this bull had been un sucessfully hunted for years with cartridges as small as the .223 and as large as the .458. All tried, all fell short. This last fall, all it took was one shot with the 9.3x62 and voila, moose steaks in freezer.

Now I don't know this person from Adam, nor does he know me. That is a fine moose that is in the picture, I would like to kill one that big some day.

The Point Remains However, for those of you with the brains enough to understand it, a persons, ANY persons opionions, listed on an Internet Chat Room/Forum means nothing when it comes to how they do business, and anyone that feels different, is wrong.

A Guide/Outfitter/PH is hired because of their ABILITIES, Not Their Opinions on an Internet Chat Room.

Mr. King has his own issues here, and they have nothing to do with me and how I run my guide service.

Also, those of you with problems concerning profanity on this site, are pure hypocrites if you live in the real world, I bet all of you hear profanity and use it everyday in your normal lives.

26 January 2011, 07:29

rcamuglia

quote:
Originally posted by Swamp_Fox:
Anonymity is the fortress of cowards.

I guess that's why you go by "Swamp_Fox" ?..

26 January 2011, 07:39

Swamp_Fox

I also avoid threatining folks.

26 January 2011, 07:51

Mike Smith

Again, nothing wrong with profanity if it is used to make a point. If it is just name calling like a bunch of kids on the playground that is another story. My point was that making it a personal attack is not a substitute for being able to argue ones point.

26 January 2011, 17:15

Peter

quote:
if you live in the real world, I bet all of you hear profanity and use it everyday in your normal lives.

And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

26 January 2011, 17:24

Nor Cal Mikie

Peter: Well said!

26 January 2011, 18:37

Crazyhorseconsulting

Sorry,. Peter, I know lots of well educated people that use profanity to make a point from time to time.

In fact I have met very few people that can actually say that they have Never used profanity, whether in public or in Private.

As Swamp-Fox posted:

quote:
Anonymity is the fortress of cowards.

I will add that for many people, the InterNet is the ultimate fortress.

Peter if you can get thru your life without using profanity at ANY time, even Sub-consciously, then I salute you sir, for you are a better man than I.

But, if you think but do not verbalize a profane epiphet, then you sir are a hypocrite.

Just because a word or thought is not verbalized or written, it is still profanity.

26 January 2011, 19:09

vapodog

quote:
Ignored post by Crazyhorseconsulting posted 26 January 2011 17:37

26 January 2011, 19:44

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
quote:
if you live in the real world, I bet all of you hear profanity and use it everyday in your normal lives.

And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

Does your obviously advanced education teach you the meaning of hypocrite?

quote:

Peter
one of us
Posted 26 January 2011 00:27 Hide Post
Holy Shit! Where did they find that wood?
Peter.

A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. ..This day we fight!
Posts: 4801 | Location: Jacksonville, Florida | Registered: 09 January 2004

26 January 2011, 20:01

Whitworth

Busted.....

26 January 2011, 20:30

Ubuntu2K7

And, let me welcome you to the internet.

26 January 2011, 21:13

onefunzr2

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
quote:
if you live in the real world, I bet all of you hear profanity and use it everyday in your normal lives.

And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

Does your obviously advanced education teach you the meaning of hypocrite?
quote:

Peter
one of us
Posted 26 January 2011 00:27 Hide Post
Holy Shit! Where did they find that wood?
Peter.

A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. ..This day we fight!
Posts: 4801 | Location: Jacksonville, Florida | Registered: 09 January 2004

I'm sure he has a very good explanation for that slip of the keyboard tongue. Perhaps he doesn't think shit is a vulgarity just like Bill Clintoon didn't think getting blowed by Monica Lewinsky was sex.

Or perhaps when you preface shit with holy it's OK.

Good detective work in any event!

26 January 2011, 21:29

tasunkawitko

cabin fever, guys?

26 January 2011, 21:33

onefunzr2

quote:
Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
cabin fever, guys?

You bet. It's snowing like hell right now and the worst is yet to come. Oops, should have typed heck for all the holy roller types. But the FCC allows hell on radio and TV so maybe it's OK here on AR. Let's let the management make that call.

26 January 2011, 21:38

tasunkawitko

i'll admit, i am not big on profanity myself, whether i am using it or whether it is being directed at me. i agree with those who say it is a tool of the intellectually weak but i also recognize that it can be used to very good effect when making a point.

at the same time i don't see how a group of bastards like us can get together without some of it, so it's about balance. we're all gentlemen ehre but we also all ahve stong opinions, even when we agree.

26 January 2011, 21:40

onefunzr2

quote:
Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
i'll admit, i am not big on profanity myself, whether i am using it or whether it is being directed at me. i agree with those who say it is a tool of the intellectually weak but i also recognize that it can be used to very good effect when making a point.

at the same time i don't see how a group of bastards like us can get together without some of it, so it's about balance. we're all gentlemen ehre but we also all ahve stong opinions, even when we agree.

Apparently you're not big on capitalization and proofreading either.

26 January 2011, 21:43

tasunkawitko

no, i am not a big fan of capitalization. i'll admit that my fingers have a touch of dyslexia as well. want to drag me out back behind the thread and shoot me, or discuss what i actually wrote?

rest assured i can spell and i can think.

26 January 2011, 21:46

onefunzr2

No I'd rather discuss how the big

Peter from Jacksonville is a hypocrite.

26 January 2011, 21:51

tasunkawitko

probably a good choice - in spite of my finger-dyslexia, i can indeed play grammar nazi all day long, and i can promise you are throwing stones from a glass house.

anyway, carry on, folks -

27 January 2011, 01:54

Peter

Well, I go away to play tennis for a few hours and the world as I know it is destroyed! I have been OUTED, or BUSTED as Marko puts it. So let me say this:
Yes I said it.!
Did it aid the discussion? NO!
Was it gratuitous? YES!
Should I have said it? NO!
Mea Culpa! (You guys can look that up if you want to. If not, that's OK too)
I see great joy out there. Perhaps some of: "Ha he thought he was better than us, but in fact he is no different!"?
Problem is, I am different. You see, I acknowledge that I should not have written that. I made a mistake. I know that acknowledging my mistake makes me a liberal, but hey, life is tough. So, I WILL try not to do that again. No doubt Gato will keep track of my transgressions. If not, I will!
Now for those that have not been following me, there is a difference between saying "That was a mistake, I should not have said that" and "Hey it's the internet", or "hey everyone does it" or "Hey I was just making a point".
So, I hope the hyenas will go away, but somehow I doubt it!
Peter.

27 January 2011, 02:02

Whitworth

Touche, Peter!

27 January 2011, 02:25

Peter

Thanks Marko. Now we really do need to go out and kill something. I may have to break down and join a "hunt club" down here just to have a place to hunt. I will let you know if/when that happens.
Peter.

27 January 2011, 02:28

Crazyhorseconsulting

Peter how about this, you don't like to use profanity and normally don't.

With me and possibly some other folks, it is a normal, everyday part of our speech, to the point we don't even realize we have said something that might be offensive to someone outside our normal social group.

My apologies Sir, but in the future, to save yourself stress over my language, do like that doofus vapodog and put me on ignore, especially AFTER you have read my post, that is really an adult thing to do.

27 January 2011, 02:51

onefunzr2

quote:
And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

Funny how you wrote this a mere 8 hours after exclaiming, HOLY SHIT about a stick of walnut. And forgot that you typed it.

27 January 2011, 02:56

Crazyhorseconsulting

quote:
Funny how you wrote this a mere 8 hours after exclaiming, HOLY SHIT about a stick of walnut. And forgot that you typed it.

It is called Selective Amnesia by the Pious.

27 January 2011, 03:16

Cane Rat

quote:
Originally posted by onefunzr2:
quote:
And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

Funny how you wrote this a mere 8 hours after exclaiming, HOLY SHIT about a stick of walnut. And forgot that you typed it.

27 January 2011, 03:24

Sam

quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
quote:
if you live in the real world, I bet all of you hear profanity and use it everyday in your normal lives.

And THAT crazyhorse is the difference between you and me, right there. I do NOT use profanity, my wife does not. My son does, and when he does, if he is in our house he is told to leave. If he does it on the phone then I just hang up. That behavior is just unacceptable. I believe that I live in the REAL world, just not in YOUR world. If someone cannot express himself without using profanity then, at the very least, it shows a rather limited education, at most it show a vulgarity that I chose not to associate with.
Peter.

"This is a big fucking deal."

Joe Biden, Vice-president United States of America.

Yep, the draft dodger is un-educated.