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S.E. Self Guided Bear Hunters Squeezed Out
27 August 2012, 22:33
John WelshS.E. Self Guided Bear Hunters Squeezed Out
The hot button is that the State of Alaska has created two classes of citizens, one with restrictions on access to hunt on public land, and one with no restrictions. Self-guided non-resident hunters in the most famous units must enter a lottery to win a black bear tag in S.E. Alaska, while non-resident hunters using a registered guide can simply gain access to black bears on public land in the same areas by purchasing a tag over the counter at any time, and paying the guide's fee. It clearly is not legal or in the spirit of American society to restrict some citizens from legal uses of public lands, while allowing other citizens special entry to the same uses on the same lands. Alaska Fish and Game needs to hear from non-residents about this unjust policy. Contact AF&Game at
www.hunt.alaska.gov
Where the giant black bears are.
27 August 2012, 23:48
MikelravyAlaska has had a lot of trouble with nonresident hunters needing to be rescued, not abiding by regulations and other problems. The situation you mentioned, while inherently unfair to certain non-residents, is considerably more liberal than the system in most western US states and Canada that mandate licensed guides for non-residents.
28 August 2012, 01:50
p dog shooterThe situation you mentioned, while inherently unfair to certain non-residents, is considerably more liberal than the system in most western US states and Canada that mandate licensed guides for non-residents.
Can you name one other western state besides Wyoming and that is only in wilderness areas.
Canada yes Lower 48?
Just another outfitter/guide protection of income plan.
28 August 2012, 03:07
MuskegManCry me a river. You can still hunt deer, elk, moose, caribou, wolf, etc. unguided.
It's because Lesser-48'ers were shooting too many dinks and females.
28 August 2012, 11:45
MOA TACTICALYou can still hunt black bears over the other 5/7ths of Alaska without applying for a tag.
In Wyoming there are several resident areas where a resident can buy a tag, and a non-resident must apply.
This is no different.
You think this is a tough law to live with. People in Alaska that live locally near some national Parks have the ability to hunt in them. If you live in Fairbanks, Anchorage, or Valdez in the mainland of Alaska you can not hunt in those same parks.
This is a federal subsistance law, and has nothing to do with the state laws.
That and the subsistance bag limits and seasons, are very liberal compared to the urban population residents.
If you want a guaranteed tag move to Alaska.
28 August 2012, 20:44
Bear in FairbanksLike I'm gonna be concerned about a non-resident when I have to haul ass 5 miles off the Dalton for a caribou for the freezer & a local "resident" can essentially shoot off the road? I don't think so. It's called "subsistance" but in reality nothing more than "everybody's equal, it's just that some are more equal than others". You can't tell me that that local resident's rifle bullet can't damage the pipeline less than mine.
Before you complain about non-resident's "rights", get the regs changed so they follow the Alaska Constitution for the resident.
This is the first time I've heard of this "hot button" but it's a non-issue for me. I got other, more important things to worry about.
Bear in Fairbanks
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28 August 2012, 22:41
AnotherAZWriterI have no problem with a state requiring guides; it is simply a way to reduce the pressure on the game. But you could argue that a lottery would do the same thing. So why is the state of AK subsidizing guides?
BTW, Idaho has a very similar system in the Selway - hire a guide and you get a tag. I like it.
I do have a problem with those who say NR's have to be rescued and therefore need a guide. You can hike anywhere you want to in AK without a guide...so why do you need one when hunting? How many guys get rescued off Denali every year who have no guide?
And what about guys like me who used to be residents of AK? Hell, I once spent a night at -55 without any heat. How many AK residents have done that??
29 August 2012, 01:59
MOA TACTICALquote:
Hell, I once spent a night at -55 without any heat. How many AK residents have done that??
Probably most of them, but it was -80. Without windchill!
29 August 2012, 02:01
MOA TACTICAL99% of everyone that uses that hiker arguement, wouldn't hike 3 miles in Alaska let alone across the whole state.
29 August 2012, 03:17
AnotherAZWriterquote:
Originally posted by MOA TACTICAL:
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Hell, I once spent a night at -55 without any heat. How many AK residents have done that??
Probably most of them, but it was -80. Without windchill!
Most residents of Alaska have not slept in a tent unheated in the middle of the winter. If you believe that, I don't think you have spent much time there, at least not in Anchorage, where most people live.
The fact is the argument that one needs a guide to be safe in AK is just plain dumb, as I can do all kinds of activities without one, just as long as I am not hunting.
Mountain climbing is far more dangerous than hunting, yet I don't need a guide to do that.
29 August 2012, 04:53
MOA TACTICALI haven't spent any time in Anchorage other than shopping, I lived in Barrow and Sitka. Most Sikta residents have probably never seen -55 either.
Just teasing you a bit.
I know that most Las Anchorage residents have never slept outside in the summer let a lone at -55.
29 August 2012, 05:37
AnotherAZWriterGulp!
I swallowed the bait.