quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I am always looking for volunteers to edit for me.

Would gladly send my comments to you so they would be perfect.

You don't need a volunteer, you need more than help!

Not sure what the point is in shooting at dangerous game at 400 plus yards is. Not much thrill in that. If it's a world's record bear or close to it, and it's in open country, I can see shooting at 200 yards. If you do that, you've got to be willing to go into the thick stuff after it.

quote:

Originally posted by crane:
[b]This fascination with long range shooting is a bit of a cancer on our sport[/b/]. . .

My judgment is that the issue has little to do with the guns and ammunition. Rather optics that allow sighting and shooting at absurd distances or through dense vegetation. Using, for example, W&E-adjustable aperture sights will almost certainly introduce to many big hunters and re-introduce to old misanthropes the "sport" in sport hunting. In the same vein as bow hunting, using non-optical, non-electronic sights allows any successful big game hunt to be a trophy hunt.

My only exception to this idea is that I have a 4X scope on my 22LR rifle and 2X scope on my 22LR pistol. My rationale is not to significantly lengthen my 35-yard hunting limit for rabbits and squirrels. I want to be able to keep all hunting shots within [one skull] two-inch circle to be sure of the kill without destroying pretty much all the meat that would occur with a heart-lung-shoulder shot. Compared with significantly larger lethal zone of nearly all hunted big game, perhaps such a sighting reduction would be acceptable.

An unfortunate side effect would be a horrendous financial hit on manufacturers of optical and electronic sighting devices. I do not refer to viewing devices, for example monocular, binocular, etc. These are used to identify not to aim.
***
While being left-eye dominant, my left eye is about 50 percent blind. Since the bottom half is sightless, I can continue to shoot lefty at stationary and very slow moving game. And I still hunt using W&E-adjustable tang sights, plus 22LR scopes.

i dont believe in long range hunting for creatures that can kill you.i find it unethical and frankly not the essence of real hunting.i also should say i am not a fan of long range hunting at all.if your not capable of getting close enough to game animals that deserve respect,do something else

I consider myself a good shot, military trained for long range, quite capable of hitting a designated target at 1000 yards. That being said, that kind of shooting has NO PLACE in most hunting and like others have stated, is a CANCER that is aiding in the death of our beloved endevour. I have taken some animals at 400 plus yards - Ibex in the mountains, coyotes, ground hogs, but never big game that I should be able to get closer to.. I have never shot anything in Africa over 100yds and most North American game at bow range (often with a bow)..

It is why we call it HUNTING and not SHOOTING - these people have lost(or never understood) the true meaning and inspirations of hunting. How can one appreciate the stalk, the closeness, the danger by sniping an animal from one ridge to another..

Pathetic and disgusting in my opinion!

quote:

Originally posted by Scott Powell:
I have never shot anything in Africa over 100yds

I have!! Sitatunga at 220, Hartebeest at 200. Joyce shot a Reedbuck at 257. That said, My lion dropped face to face at 30 yards in an open area without a blind.

I killed a Dall Sheep in Alaska at 110, when many do it at 250 +. Got within a non-legal ram at 19 years.

Yes you can get close given time and skill.

Jack Frost, a famous bow hunter up here once told me when I asked him how the heck do you get close enough to kill a Dall Sheep with a bow said, "Leave your rifle at home"


Killing an animal, other than a "pest" at 1000 yards is the virtue signaling of the hunting world.

Love the Jack Frost quote

quote:

Not sure what the point is in shooting at dangerous game at 400 plus yards is

What's the point of shooting anything.


For me the point is to kill what I am hunting/shooting at and the fun of doing so.

If you want the out most excitement hunting and killing dangerous game.

Use a rock or a spear.

Better yet use you hands. Other wise you just not being fair to the game.

Easy to take bear or other dangerous game with a rifle at 50 yards.

A lot of bow hunters will say a 50 yard shot is to far.

A lot of hand gunners will say a 100 yard shot is to far.

What is quote a to far shot for you for me might not be for some one else.

What is a long shot with an open sighted 30-30 could very well be a chip shot with a scope sighted rifle off a bi-bod.

What is a hard shot for a spear thrower is a easy shot for a bowman ect ect.

Getting closer is fine until you can not get any closer.

quote:

That said, My lion dropped face to face at 30 yards in an open area without a blind.

That said the last 3 mad wounded bears that I shot in the head with a handgun 44 and 41mag. 535 386 and 235 pounds

Were shot at about 6 feet 4 feet and two feet. In brush so thick you had to get that close to make the shot.

Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

Terminal ballistics of the 338 RUM at 470 yards are about the same as those of the 338 Federal at 50-75 yards. So, it begs the question, did his expectations exceed the reasonable limitations of his cartridge or is the 338 Federal a good choice for hunting brown bear?

I also wonder what sort of rifle he was shooting. The malfunction, as it's described in the article, doesn't make any sense.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:


Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:


Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

Why didn't you post the whole context.

That said the last 3 mad wounded bears that I shot in the head with a handgun 44 and 41mag. 535 386 and 235 pounds Were shot at about 6 feet 4 feet and two feet. In brush so thick you had to get that close to make the shot. Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:


Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

Why didn't you post the whole context.

That said the last 3 mad wounded bears that I shot in the head with a handgun 44 and 41mag. 535 386 and 235 pounds Were shot at about 6 feet 4 feet and two feet. In brush so thick you had to get that close to make the shot. Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

You win!! Your dick is bigger. I'm out.

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:


Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

Why didn't you post the whole context.

That said the last 3 mad wounded bears that I shot in the head with a handgun 44 and 41mag. 535 386 and 235 pounds Were shot at about 6 feet 4 feet and two feet. In brush so thick you had to get that close to make the shot. Makes a 30 yard lion in the open seem rather tame.

You win!! Your dick is bigger. I'm out.

Good one frosbit, could not have said it any better than that

quote:

Originally posted by butchloc:
i don't usually comment with distaste but this makes me wish the bear would have won. a combination of some guy shooting a big bear at that distande should have his rifle camera and 454 shoved up his azz

I agree.

quote:

Originally posted by JeffreyPhD:

quote:

Originally posted by butchloc:
i don't usually comment with distaste but this makes me wish the bear would have won. a combination of some guy shooting a big bear at that distande should have his rifle camera and 454 shoved up his azz

I agree.

If you knew those involved, you would probably feel the same.

Wondering if there was any action taken by the Feds for filming commercially without a permit. I see them totally kitted out with Kuiu from head to toe plus tents etc. That is direct compensation. "Stuck in the Rut" is a commercial venture. How can you live in a community like King Salmon, with a high percentage of folks employed by the Feds(read LEO) and get away with this kind of stuff?

Filming permits where declared unconstitutional.

In a court ruling.

Having read the story of the hunt and all the comments in this thread, I must admit that the bear was beyond my comfort range with any of my larger bore rifles and I would not have taken that shot.
There may be hunters for whom such a shot is routine, but not me. Even with my Ruger 77 .338 Win Mag, 300 yards is my limit and I know that.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Filming permits where declared unconstitutional.

In a court ruling.

I had not heard that, do you have a link ?

P Dog-Perhaps you should ad a signature to your posts. I would suggest something like: "Often in error, never in doubt".

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:


Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

Are you in that video? That was some calm and collected shooting there!

quote:

Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:


Yup!! Been there have you?


https://youtu.be/hr9dJrVNH2g

Are you in that video? That was some calm and collected shooting there!

No! that was Johann Calitz's outfit on a followup of a wounded lion. I just think the clip shows what a lion charge must feel like.

That's one of my favorite video clips.

I also noticed none of those guys carrying "Large Back Up Revolvers"!

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Filming permits where declared unconstitutional.

In a court ruling.

I had not heard that, do you have a link ?

Link took about a 2 sec search.

https://fstoppers.com/commerci...onstitutional-549688

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
That's one of my favorite video clips.

I also noticed none of those guys carrying "Large Back Up Revolvers"!

Strictly illegal's in most African countries.

Nice to have 4 or so rifles backing each other up.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Filming permits where declared unconstitutional.

In a court ruling.

I had not heard that, do you have a link ?

Link took about a 2 sec search.

https://fstoppers.com/commerci...onstitutional-549688

Good thing you are so quick on the draw!


Living on a remote Homestead in the middle of a National wildlife refuge 350 miles from the US highway system and with very slow and expensive internet has its drawbacks. Although there are 3 large boar brown bears visible out the window as I write this !

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
That's one of my favorite video clips.

I also noticed none of those guys carrying "Large Back Up Revolvers"!

Strictly illegal's in most African countries.

Once again, WRONG.

I've hunted with numerous PH's that had a pistol in their truck. Only once did I see one of them actually carry the thing and that was on a night time leopard follow up on my first leopard hunt. Luckily the cat was dead under the tree.

So Todd what is your aversion to handguns.

Seems very personnel with you.

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
That's one of my favorite video clips.

I also noticed none of those guys carrying "Large Back Up Revolvers"!

Strictly illegal's in most African countries.

Once again, WRONG.

I've hunted with numerous PH's that had a pistol in their truck. Only once did I see one of them actually carry the thing and that was on a night time leopard follow up on my first leopard hunt. Luckily the cat was dead under the tree.

So Todd are you saying handguns in most Africa

countries are not highly regulated.

That over an large part of the said country one can go to any gun store and walk out with one.

That one carry one with out a lot of government paper work.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
That's one of my favorite video clips.

I also noticed none of those guys carrying "Large Back Up Revolvers"!

Strictly illegal's in most African countries.

Once again, WRONG.

I've hunted with numerous PH's that had a pistol in their truck. Only once did I see one of them actually carry the thing and that was on a night time leopard follow up on my first leopard hunt. Luckily the cat was dead under the tree.

So Todd are you saying handguns in most Africa

countries are not highly regulated.

That over an large part of the said country one can go to any gun store and walk out with one.

That one carry one with out a lot of government paper work.

1) Nothing against handguns. I love em. Got a ton of them. My experience is when hunting and carrying a rifle, they are a hassle as I'm already better armed, especially if I'm hunting with another person who is similarly armed.

2) I have a severe aversion to BS.

3) If you wonder why I posted no. 2, refer to your post above and this one regarding my comment about the guys in the lion charge not carrying handguns. In the first you said handguns are "illegal's (sic) in most African countries", to which I said, Wrong (as you usually are). Your response to my calling BS on you is you counter with "are you saying handguns are not highly regulated?". I never said that. I said you are full of shit to say they are "illegal's" (sic). The fact is, guns in general are "highly regulated" in most African countries. Residents of the countries where I've hunted must have a license for either a shotgun, rifle, or handgun. That doesn't mean they are illegal, or as you said "illegal's". Again, you are wrong and in in this particular case ... full of shit.

4) Asked before by others but do you EVER proof read what you write? Not only are you usually wrong, the spelling and genuine frontier gibberish don't lend much credibility to your commentary.

5) I can do this all day. You should stop while you're ahead.

Some people like to carry handguns some do not.

If they are carrying a rifle or not.

I don't see a problem one way or the other.

You say you don't to have one.

I said it is their choice.

You don't find having a handgun along as useful.

I find handguns can be useful to have along.

You use peroneal attacks to try and bolster you arguments.

I find don't find them useful at all.

So you can continue to tell people they don't need a handgun when they are hunting armed with some thing else.

I will continue to tell people it is there choice.

As noted we can both keep it up all day long.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Some people like to carry handguns some do not.

If they are carrying a rifle or not.

I don't see a problem one way or the other.

You say you don't to have one.

I said it is their choice.

You don't find having a handgun along as useful.

I find handguns can be useful to have along.

You use peroneal attacks to try and bolster you arguments.

I find don't find them useful at all.

So you can continue to tell people they don't need a handgun when they are hunting armed with some thing else.

I will continue to tell people it is there choice.

As noted we can both keep it up all day long.

A peroneal attack? Did I kick you in the leg?


Really dude, you should let this die.