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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
You know I have absolutely no sympathy for these fools. If they don't like it they can pack their shit and hit the road. A native I used to work with in Dillingham had a profound answer for all complaints about living in Dillingham "There's a plane leaving every day". Enough said. Problem solved!

If they want to live in bear country they need to adapt to it. Others do. As mentioned in the article a requirement for bear proof trash containers is a great start. Electrify your yard. It works. During times of high bear traffic run your kids back and forth from the bus/school/whatever. Adapt, move to a condo in town or a better idea is to just leave. Alaska is too special a place to have people living there that want it to be like Seattle.

Mark

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Just kill the bears .

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
.. If someone sees a bear and it is stationary or moving slow enough ,KABOOOOOM . they can do with it as they see fit , self determination , ya know .... Pretty soon the sows will get the idea and the congestion on the remote fish criks and berry patches ect. will be reduced so the bears won,t be in town .... Kind of funny that there hasn,t always been a bear problem in Eagle River ect , at least when bears knew if they were seen by a person they would stop breathing ...... If you doubt that ask some bear guide if they go strolling thru their hunting area stinking it up ....... Bears know people are there to kill them , they ought to know that in our quaint little towns .

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"There's a plane leaving every day".

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Two aspects amaze me.
First is "sows will get the idea", "bears knew", "bears know".
Second is - how does a person know what a bear knows, and whether bears actually have ideas?

We have horse whisperers, and dog whisperers, maybe cat whisperers. Certainly there is need for a bear whisperer, for the good of humanity at heart. The antithesis of a Tim Treadwell. Such astonishing talent should not be wasted on a forum like this.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Of course people need to be smart and not give bears a reason to come around. Apparantly that's easy to say, but not so simple in the real world. There is a large enough percentage of people who just won't do it, and it probably doesn't have much to do with whether they are smart or not, but it has a lot to do with attitude. These are the people who just have to be subjected to the enforcment of the law, if it's gonna happen.

As for managing bears, OK go for it. Have you ever tried to herd cats?

KB

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Originally posted by D99:
Killing and relocating work but not very well.

Bears can't be taught unfortunatly.

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Originally posted by M70Nut:
.... They shot the gd things, which is what we need to do but the freakin liberal bunny huggers and tree huggers want F&G to manage the people instead of the bears. You just don't get it and frankly, never will.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by M70Nut:
.... They shot the gd things, which is what we need to do but the freakin liberal bunny huggers and tree huggers want F&G to manage the people instead of the bears. You just don't get it and frankly, never will.

Ditto to you. I rest my case. Maybe you should try it - tree hugging - might make you feel better and work off some aggression, not that I know anything about it, but it might just work in your case. I would recommend bunny hugging, but I pity the bunny too much.

KB

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Originally posted by Kensco:
We need a good pandemic to wipe out a few billion people so wildlife has a fighting chance.

The thing I like about big-city people is when they stay in the big cities. They have no business "communing with nature", or "moving to the country". They should just continue to commune with the meat counter at their nearest grocery store and call it good.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Finally - - common sense and reason. Thank you.
kb

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Finally - - common sense and reason. Thank you.
kb

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But what is the stated end of what you say is logic ... .. Opening up the season so that more bears get killed ... You just get all googly because he said the bears own land ...........I,m suprised you didn,t challenge his statement that the big bears ran the smaller bears off .......As you did with my statement of the same .. Are you starting to pull your head out ????????????????????????????????????

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Originally posted by waterrat:
The only policy on bears that has worked for us is Zero Tolerance,

M-80s,dogs,birdshot,etc only makes them braver. When a bear intrude's on your space DLP the bugger and turn the hide and skull into the state.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Just kill the bears .

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Just kill the bears .

The thing perhaps not fully appreciated from the above quote is that Gumboot literally means it. All bears, anywhere, by any means, because their mere existance anywhere on the planet is an intrusion to him, or at least a bullet testing medium - nothing more. Like a walking gob of ballistics geletin, with fur.
KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I'm not into communing with bears either,

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by M70Nut:
.... They shot the gd things, which is what we need to do but the freakin liberal bunny huggers and tree huggers want F&G to manage the people instead of the bears. You just don't get it and frankly, never will.

Ditto to you. I rest my case. Maybe you should try it - tree hugging - might make you feel better and work off some aggression, not that I know anything about it, but it might just work in your case. I would recommend bunny hugging, but I pity the bunny too much.

KB

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Originally posted by hammertyme:
Living in Kodiak for most of the Past 30 years I can say that I agree with both issues. Now mind you what I say pertains strictly to Kodiak and NO WHERE ELSE!
1. Animal rights people that may read this, just take a hike.
2. Because our bear advocates, one being guides, like to have very successful hunter percentages. We have let way more bears go un-harvested than we should. Last year we took three trouble bears and for the first time one was hit and killed by a truck.
a. One bear was taken after she ate her way through a cat door on someones back porch. Another was taken a hundred yards from me at the Catholic School. Another (I was hunting this one) was taken two tenths of a mile from me on the city airport runway. The last was taken five miles out of town at the State airport and as far as I am concerned was not justified. Lots of idiots standing around taking pictures of the pretty bear. Dipsticks refusing to move from a fishing hole. I have pictures of this bear getting ready to fish and I always move and give the right of way to the bears. There are lots of places to fish that bears do not go to.

Over the years we have m80'd them, shot them with pain killers/rubber bullets. Moved them 130 miles to the other end of the island. They are back in 4 days. The population is ever increasing on the city end of the island because of the unbelievable population of big bears everywhere. Big bears chase smaller bears off the streams. Little bears keep getting pushed to where the density of bears is much less, hence ending up on the road system end of the island. WE took more bears off the road system last year then ever before. It is a shame that the bag limits are not increased all over. But the guides have a large lobby and they make a lot of money from those large bears.

Two years ago I had my first aggressive bear encounter 50 yards away from the shooting end of the shooting range where all ten benches were occupied with shooters. I had just returned from a 7 hour hike up the river drainage and rounded the corner through the tall grass on a trail no where near any water. A sow with two little ones, was standing next to my truck 30 yards away. I exited stage right as fast as I could go and got behind two giant cottonwood trees while she dropped and charged. AT 12 feet she stopped and turned to look and see where her cubs were. My two dogs flanked both sides of her with me and my friendly trees in the middle. She had not bargained on the dogs as the grass was high and the wind was at her back. She ran.

Now this is the metality of Fish and Game. I actually put up signs at the entrance to the range the same day. I told all people at the range of the encounter moments ago.

When I told the story to fish and game: (1) because I ran she charged_ Bullshit John. SHe dropped heading for me and I had no intention of taking on the bear in the open and I ran perpendiculer placing a screen of trees between her and I. ( 2) he tried again: She was after the dogs. John the wind was at her back and the grass was belly high on me and I was not walking horse dogs. (3) Well the bears are pre-conditioned Neal to the shooting and the man smell and are unafraid as they should be. Dang John you got it! He was interested why I did not shoot the bear at that range. First John I am lazy and did not want to go through the whole salvage thing and give you a hide to sell. Secondly those little babies would have died before anyone could do anything about it.

In summing up. Bears and man can co-exist as long as man wants to give the bears their rightful place and as long as the numbers aren't so great that force the bears into mans area. We have hundreds of salmon stream with millions of fish all over the island. Until the last few years bear problems or even sightings were rare.
There are way to many bears and out city limits haven't changed in years.

Something to think about

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

Heck , if residents would get a bear tag and just go kill the 1st easy brown bear they run into that is old enough and doesn,t have cubs instead of holding out for the TEN FOOTER , it would make things alot better . And they would realize it was a bunch of fun and they would gain skill in the taking of bears .... They may find they enjoyed the heck out of the whole process ... I really do feel sorry for non residents who want to hunt bear but can,t afford to ...... Just hunting them is fun ,killing them is even funner .....