Not sure what's up but there haven't been any bear attack / hand gun save reports for over a week now.

I thought you can't walk outside to take a leak in your back yards without being armed with a hog-leg to defend yourselves up there in AK. Slow week in bear country, or are the AK boys just shooting and shoveling lately?

A.J., PDawg, and Chuke seem to be laying low.





I don't know about you guys but I look forward to the weekly bear attack / hand gun saves on the AK hunting forum and the "Saturday in Pictures" on the Humor section. Those are always good for some cheap entertainment.

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Not sure what's up but there haven't been any bear attack / hand gun save reports for over a week now.

Perhaps they were all shot, from long range (e.g., 600 yds).

quote:

Originally posted by delloro:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Not sure what's up but there haven't been any bear attack / hand gun save reports for over a week now.

Perhaps they were all shot, from long range (e.g., 600 yds).

And finished with a pistol.

That just put coffee on the keyboard.

Not AK but just for you Todd.

Nice that you are showing interest.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/...ttacks-already-tied/

This is just fatal attacks there have been several more mauling's.

From what I could see They were all doing fine yesterday on the fishing stream.
I had six of them within 25 feet or less of my granddaughter and me while we were fishing.

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
From what I could see They were all doing fine yesterday on the fishing stream.
I had six of them within 25 feet or less of my granddaughter and me while we were fishing.

Phil,

Did you upgrade from a 9mm to an RPG after what you've been learning about bear deterrence on AR?

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
From what I could see They were all doing fine yesterday on the fishing stream.
I had six of them within 25 feet or less of my granddaughter and me while we were fishing.

That can't be Phil. All of us real bear experts in the lower 48 know you can't get within 100 yards of a bear without being eaten alive.

Phil, I sent you a PM a couple of weeks back.

I have a near DLP from 7/4 to report here on AR, but my internet has been spotty.

Not to spoil the story, but my daughter and I made it out alive despite the fact that we didn’t have bear spray or back up hand guns.

I think they all got scared off by PDS thinking maybe he was going bear hunting in AK with his super powerful handguns

quote:

I have a near DLP from 7/4 to report here on AR, but my internet has been spotty.

When you have the time it sounds like a interesting story.

Kind of like the time Phil fired two warning shots from a 44. mag. to scare/stop off a bear.

As he related in his article in the June 2003 issue of hand loader Magazine.

Where he recommended the 357 mag and said his daughter carried a model 65 S@W and 180gr hard cast bullets.

It would be interesting to hear of all of Phil's stories involving handguns and bears.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

I have a near DLP from 7/4 to report here on AR, but my internet has been spotty.

When you have the time it sounds like a interesting story.

Kind of like the time Phil fired two warning shots from a 44. mag. to scare/stop off a bear.

As he related in his article in the June 2003 issue of hand loader Magazine.

Where he recommended the 357 mag and said his daughter carried a model 65 S@W and 180gr hard cast bullets.

It would be interesting to hear of all of Phil's stories involving handguns and bears.

There are stories from over 40 years of living among brown bears. A small sow with a COY was feeding in the yard this morning.
If you are seriously interested there should be a full length feature in the 2022 Gun Digest that has just been printed

quote:

If you are seriously interested there should be a full length feature in the 2022 Gun Digest that has just been printed

I have a complete set of gun digests from 1960 when I get my 2022 I will read it.

Had a single black bear about 200lbs in my yard a couple of days ago.

Obviously she didn't have a handgun with her.....or maybe she just had pepper spray.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/...dead-in-bear-attack/

A Russian woman stormed off from a wedding only to be eaten alive by a pack of bears, officials fear.

Yana Balobanova, 24, made emergency calls stating she was lost in a wooded area of Sverdlovsk, but rescue dogs on her trail found her scent overtaken by the smell of multiple brown bears and footprints from the animals, according to The Sun.

I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

Pack

2.
a group of wild animals, especially wolves, living and hunting together.

Have seen black bears with 4 cubs.

The most I seen in a picture was a sow and 6 cubs.

Those sized groups are large enough to be "packs"

But do they hunt together, forage together for sure.

Organized hunting like wolves and coyotes?

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

I'm gonna believe what someone like you that lives among them everyday says. I was under the impressions that griz only tolerate each other's presence during salmon feeding time.

quote:

Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

I'm gonna believe what someone like you that lives among them everyday says. I was under the impressions that griz only tolerate each other's presence during salmon feeding time.

I had seven Alaska Coastal Brown Bears in my camp at the same time and they were there all night. There are just some place with a hell'ish lot of bears.

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:

quote:

Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

I'm gonna believe what someone like you that lives among them everyday says. I was under the impressions that griz only tolerate each other's presence during salmon feeding time.

I had seven Alaska Coastal Brown Bears in my camp at the same time and they were there all night. There are just some place with a hell'ish lot of bears.

I have had 5 individual boars sitting back in the brush watching me butcher a moose & When we have a meat shed full of moose it's not unusual for camp to be surrounded by bears.
But they remain separated by sex and age.
Sow, especially those with cubs, stay well away from the larger boars. And they too have a hierarchy!
They don't run in packs !

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:

quote:

Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:
I seriously doubt Russian bears "run in packs"
I would believe a sow with nearly grown Cubs was responsible!

I'm gonna believe what someone like you that lives among them everyday says. I was under the impressions that griz only tolerate each other's presence during salmon feeding time.

I had seven Alaska Coastal Brown Bears in my camp at the same time and they were there all night. There are just some place with a hell'ish lot of bears.

I have had 5 individual boars sitting back in the brush watching me butcher a moose & When we have a meat shed full of moose it's not unusual for camp to be surrounded by bears.
But they remain separated by sex and age.
Sow, especially those with cubs, stay well away from the larger boars. And they too have a hierarchy!
They don't run in packs !

My seven bears in camp were a sow with two cubs in second year of life, and another sow with three cubs in their first year of life. They did a lot of damage, but no one and no bears were hurt, only a lot of gear, including a 12 foot Zodiac "Grand Raid".

As there appears a "Thirst" for bear stories. Here is an account from 52 years ago.


A good example of how fast it can happen even when I was ready and had the rifle in both hands (cartridge in chamber), on full alert. I still did not have time to raise the rifle and shot from the hip.


1970' HOPE ROAD CHARGING Bear recount.
______________________________________________


Some of you must know Lance T. former head of Habitat at Alaska F&G. In late May 1970' three of us were engaged in unofficial Porcupine control. Back then there were thousands of porcupines, I don't know why.

So we were shooting porky-pines between Los Anchorage and lovely Hope, Alaska. It was about 10:45 night and the last, or nearly last light. We were on the rough "Dirt" road that was the Hope Road. Roughly mile 9'ish. We saw a large'ish Black Bear cross the road, and we pulled up and stopped at the spot.

Now Lance and the other guy both had .22 LR pistols only, for executing Porky-pines. I had a Winchester model 100 in .308 Win. w/ a tip-off scope. (Those tip-off mounts were popular back fifty years ago)

So we are all on the passenger's side of the truck, and we are listening to this God awful crying and thrashing just fifteen or twenty feet away. It went on and on, and we figured that it was a sow spanking and driving cubs up a tree.

It was almost "full" dark, then suddenly we could hear the crashing coming towards us, In one heart beat a bear busted out of the dark woods/alders/willows from about six or eight feet, coming straight a Lance T. With out a split second for thinking, from the hip I shot the bear as it was with-in a foot or two of Lance T.

The muzzle of the rifle was an inch or two from the bears chest. The bear turned and went 180* the way it had come, back into the dark woods.

Now all Hell broke-out 15 feet away, crying and thrashing, and crashing, and it is now dark-dark. The story is getting long, so I'll wrap it up. I tipped off the scope, went in after the wounded bear (Which was hit center behind the shoulder). I skillfully missed the badly wounded bear three times form 12 feet with iron sights. The bear was just thrashing around NOT coming at me. I eventually flipped the scope back up, and could clearly see the bear through the scope and finished it.

OK, This is what is educational. There were NO bear cubs. The first thing I encountered on entering the woods was a day old moose calf that had a bite in the small of the back and still very alive but paralyzed. Next at about 10 feet was the wounded bear thrashing around, and a P!zzed'off cow that was about 12 feet away and lurching at the bear. The calf was crying, the cow was exhaling hard, and the bear was flopping around and crying also.

We figured that what happened is that we had not seen the cow and calf cross the road, only the bear right behind. And after the bear bit the calf in the small of the back, the cow charged the bear, and the bear retreating from the cow ran straight at Lance T. The bear was trapped between the truck and the cow.

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Not sure what's up but there haven't been any bear attack / hand gun save reports for over a week now.

I thought you can't walk outside to take a leak in your back yards without being armed with a hog-leg to defend yourselves up there in AK. Slow week in bear country, or are the AK boys just shooting and shoveling lately?

A.J., PDawg, and Chuke seem to be laying low.





I don't know about you guys but I look forward to the weekly bear attack / hand gun saves on the AK hunting forum and the "Saturday in Pictures" on the Humor section. Those are always good for some cheap entertainment.

People with bear spray have scared them all into Canada ...

quote:

There are stories from over 40 years of living among brown bears. A small sow with a COY was feeding in the yard this morning.
If you are seriously interested there should be a full length feature in the 2022 Gun Digest that has just been printed

The story related in the 2022 gun is a more detail account of Phil's 9mm bear shooting.

The statement I found most interesting is.

Quoting Phil. from the article.

"I stated handguns were not only likely to be useful for protection from attacking bruins, but their presence and availability were a genuine asset."

There is more, and interesting info from that attack. For those who want to read should get their own copy.

It would have been nice, if Phil would have put more of his stories in the article.

quote:

It would have been nice, if Phil would have put more of his stories in the article.

Have you ever considered "WHY" there are not hundreds and hundreds of accounts offered about stopping charging bears.....??? Or hundreds of other yucky bear experiences......??? The accounts are out there to be told.

I like bear stories of all kinds.

And yes there are many accounts out there that never get told for various reasons.


Some quite unremarkable some very interesting for sure.

There are Thousands just in the DLP reports. Unfortunately the state of Alaska will not let any body review them.

There is a reason to keep on asking and finding them. The more data one has the better the data base.

The anti hunting and anti firearm crowd is great at throwing out data without or little backing.

Like firearms are not effective against bear attacks.

Like your more likely to get killed by lighting.

You don't need a firearm for defense spray works better.

With good data one can counter act the lies, myths and old wife's tales.

So I keep on asking.

We know Phil used a handgun at least twice to stop a bear. One was with his 44mag and warning shots and the now famous 9mm save.

I keep on hearing about a 3rd with a 357.

But no verification.

So more data better results.

The internet and internet forums and other social media platforms are the reason these accounts are not told.

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
The internet and internet forums and other social media platforms are the reason these accounts are not told.

Some times, but also the internet and internet forums are also why we find out about a lot of them.

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
The internet and internet forums and other social media platforms are the reason these accounts are not told.

Some times, but also the internet and internet forums are also why we find out about a lot of them.

That is my point......you only hear about a minuscule percent.

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:

quote:

Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
The internet and internet forums and other social media platforms are the reason these accounts are not told.

Some times, but also the internet and internet forums are also why we find out about a lot of them.

That is my point......you only hear about a minuscule percent.

You will not get any argument from me about your point.

Thanks, Todd.