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According to the National Lightning Safety Institute. The latest figures found for 1990 to 2013 a 13 year period there were zero lighting related fatalities in AK. A quick search of the same period comes up with 16 bear fatalities. I lot of people take all kinds of safety precautions when it comes to lighting. Some people refused to even consider one of the most common safety precautions when it comes to bears. So when people in AK say to you your more lighting to be killed by lighting then a bear. They are wrong by a factor of 16 to zero. | ||
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A factor of 1 to 0 is the same as 16 to 0; the only difference is the confidence level. When I lived in AK I never saw lightning one time. I remember missing thunderstorms, crickets chirping, and bullfrogs croaking. I read somewhere the most dangerous animal in Alaska is the dog: kills more humans in AK than bears do. Don't know if that is true or not but certainly not what comes to mind when people think about dangerous animals. | |||
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Safety measures that work well against bears work well against dogs also. | |||
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Just a casual observation as I really don't follow this portion of the forum that much, but P Dog, it seems you have a real fascination with being eaten by a bear. Are you sure you're really in it for the hunting?  Boy, I say boy, that's a joke son!!  | |||
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That old joke is about sex. Yes I have been studying about bear attacks from the time I could read. Yes I find them very interesting it has been a interest of mine for over 50 years. I like shooting bears and shot a number of them so far I have eaten a lot of bears and none have eaten me. And I tend to keep it that way. So yes I am in it for the hunting. I have been instructing self defense for decades self defense legged against four legged predators is not that much difference then against two legged predators. Most of the time legally it is less complicated. | |||
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 Somehow, I'm even less convinced of the seriousness of the potential danger than I was before!   | |||
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I like it that certain AR members focus on certain things; they certainly put more energy into it than others. I am sure some tire of my absolutely flawless logic about why a zero that puts your bullets four inches high is a bad idea, or my endless talk about wind in long range shooting, but as CHC says, you don't have to read it. But that was funny Todd. | |||
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When I lived in McGrath we had lightning a lot. Had an old fighter plane there they checked ground strikes with. One day we asked how many strikes there are in a average summer day that lightning actually touches the ground and that summer everyday in Alaska it touched the ground over 1000 times per day. | |||
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+1.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Was salmon fishing on the Russian river three years ago. There was a sow black bear with two cubs feeding off carcasses 30 yards away and reports of a grizzly downstream. We didn't leave the river for the bears, we left when lightning struck upriver a mile away which started a wildfire instantaneously. But the tinfoil in my ball cap protected me from the lightning. Dave | |||
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So at least a thousand of strikes per day so that is 36500 per year that is 4745000 in 13 years. Still no fatalities. And the bear population of AK is and 16 fatalities. Seems to show that the danger of being killed by lighting has been way over estimated. And the chance of being killed by a bear way under estimated. Thanks for making my point. | |||
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He never said it was about 'hunting.' More like 'bear defense,' and the probabilities of being attacked by a bear in the wilds of AK versus being hit by a bolt of lightening, the latter of which appears (statistically) very remote in AK.  All The Best ... | |||
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Now for you two from Texas you are far more likely to get killed by lighting at 2 per year. But you have very few bears I don't even think you have and established population only a few border crossers. | |||
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Summer. Strikes in summer. Don’t think that’s the same each summer and in winter. But I’m not doubting your point anyway. | |||
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Most bear attack occur when there is no snow on the ground. But we know summer occurs for two days in July in AK.   Hopefully on two days your not working | |||
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I was actually in a lightning storm on a pass after I killed my bear last year. And was afraid of getting killed! White Mountains Arizona | |||
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What state Wyoming has the most lighting fatalities per capita then any other states. But so far the bear fatalities are almost double the lighting strikes. Well post more on other states later. | |||
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QUOTE] Most bear attack occur when there is no snow on the ground. But we know summer occurs for two days in July in AK. Hopefully on two days your not working[/QUOTE]Have been on the Kenai for 22 yrs, have heard thunder 3-4 times & actually saw lightning 2 times. Neither lightning day was one of the two days of summer.    | |||
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Well that's because it's the least populated state and has a lot of lightning, nothing more.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Tin foil hats? Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Must be the non stick tinfoil. The regular stuff attracts lighting. "...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Lightning, unlike bears, is rare on the Alaska peninsula. But we did have two nearby strikes yesterday, which is the first we have ever seen during the spring bear season. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Wyoming lots of lightning few bears more bear deaths. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/...hich-is-more-deadly/ | |||
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Didn't like the reception in Alaska and reposted this nonsense in the American Big Game Hunting forum. For Pete's sake, man, give it a rest. Dave | |||
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You had better re read the source you quote. Two more isn't "a lot" more. Besides most were tourists in Yellowstone park. Nice try but you need to give it a rest now.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Not always, but bears prefer to kill stupid people. God, on the other hand, likes to get them on a golf course. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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More people are killed when playing soccer then golf by lightning. The numbers are readily available if one cares to look for them. There are many more ways to die. a lot of them are the cause of many more fatalities then bears ever well be. The discussion is the relation ship between bears and lightning. If one wants to discuss other deaths that's fine but it doesn't change the numbers. | |||
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It reads lots of lighting. | |||
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A few thoughts in no particular order: Nobody gets out of life alive. We Alaskans are smart about lightning. Ya cain't stop lightning with a firearm. Lightning does not occur at the rate of 100 strikes/day year-round. Lightning is not uncommon in summer. Most wildland fires are started by lightning. Most of y'all down in America have zero worries about being kilt by a bear. ........................................................................ If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. | |||
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True cars are the real killers in Colorado Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I’m sitting in Eagle River right now and both thunder and lightning just rolled through with a storm. | |||
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Thunder's just the noise, boys. Lightnin' does the work. ........................................................................ If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. | |||
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over 8600 lightning strikes in the interior in the last 24 hours. ........................................................................ If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. | |||
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I'll take my chances with the bear thank you! | |||
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When I lived in Dillingham, AK both lightning and bear attacks were very uncommon. I only remember one real thunderstorm and it was a dozzie. I also remember just one bear attack in the immediate area. I guess I wasn't too concerned about lightning or bears. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I don't take chances with either. There are known safety precautions with both. Sometimes stuff just happens and one finds themselves in a life and death situation. Where proper action can save you. | |||
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In Alaska more people are killed by bears than by lightning. Tom Smith had a webpage that showed the number of people killed by bears in Alaska up to the year 2015. If I well remember it was an average of 1+ person or so per year. Last year we had two or three, I believe. P dog shooter is quite correct. | |||
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Yep, I too think p-dog-shooter is correct. More reason to pack a 10mm Glock loaded with heavy & fast hardcasts. I prefer 220-grainers, but the 200gn HC loads are also good and yield better velocity. Best to man-up, spend the cash, and practice at least once or twice a month shooting 50-rds minimum. Of course, it's less costly and you can do it more often if you reload, which you should for the 10mm. Then you'll be ready for the big AK bruins, attitudinal Moose, or any bearded Deliverance-type folks scurrying around your region of the AK boonies with their pants down. All The Best ... | |||
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